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Adams vs Gobert vs Len (alphabetical order and such)
So Here is this, not sure if each guy needs their own thread, part of thinking this way is because they all play the same position so it may be easier to compare them if they are in the same thread.
Aside from that I'm going to do a separate post in the thread for each of them in alphabetical order and such
So Adams – from start of season
http://www.pittsburghsportingnews.com/pitt-recruit-steve-adams-scouting-report/
From May 6th
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Steven-Adams-6301/
Measurements and updates from day 1:
Updates, video and stuff provided by the rest of you:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-2013-winners-and-losers-from-chicago/page/2
Athletic testing results
http://nbadraft.net/forum/2013-nba-combine-athletic-testing-results
2013 NBA Draft Thread:
NorthCoastKid ##4977
So Here is this, not sure if each guy needs their own thread, part of thinking this way is because they all play the same position so it may be easier to compare them if they are in the same thread.
Aside from that I'm going to do a separate post in the thread for each of them in alphabetical order and such
So Adams – from start of season
http://www.pittsburghsportingnews.com/pitt-recruit-steve-adams-scouting-report/
Bio
Steven Adams, aka the Kiwi Phenom, committed to play basketball at Pitt in the summer of 2010. The New Zealand native transferred to Notre Dame Prep (MA) in January in order to be academically eligible. The 19 year old (7/28/93) stands 7 foot tall and weighs 250 pounds. He’s rated the No. 5 overall player in the 2012 class by both Rivals and Scout.
Adams is the youngest of 18 children, all of whom are at least 6’5”. His sister Valerie is a two-time gold medalist in the shot put. For a brief time during his early teenage years, Adams was homeless and lived on the streets. By all accounts he’s a fun loving guy with a vivacious personality who is well liked by his teammates.
Strengths
Adams is loaded with potential, and is just beginning to scratch the surface of that potential. A 7-footer with broad shoulders and an already muscular frame capable of adding more weight, Adams’ size and length is ideal for the center position. A great athlete, he runs the court well and is very coordinated for his size. He pulls down rebounds with ease. He’s improved his jump shot greatly over the past couple years, eliminating a hitch in his shot; Adams now has good form on his jumper and his mid range game has developed nicely. He’s pretty good at taking the ball to the basket, and is very hard to stop coming down the lane. He’s a competitor and has a relentless motor. He’s a humble and unselfish kid who is very coachable and wants to get better. His length makes him an excellent shot blocker. He’s a good passer for a bigman and possesses impressive basketball IQ and quick decision making, especially considering his lack of experience.
Weaknesses
Like most other young projectable big men, Adams’ offensive game is raw. At this point in his development he settles for a 10 or 12 foot jumper a little too often and needs to work on his post game. He didn’t play against great competition for most of his high school career, although he did have an impressive showing with Notre Dame Prep in January when he scored 23 points and pulled in 13 rebounds against fellow top recruit and now Kentucky freshman Nerlens Noel. His conditioning had been suspect in the past but should not be an issue. He needs to improve at the free throw line.
Impact and Future at Pitt
Adams will immediately take on an important role with the Panthers. If he isn’t an immediate starter, he should be at some point in the season. He probably won’t be a huge scorer in his freshman year, but should rebound at a very high rate and block some shots.
Adams is a potential Lottery pick and commonly projected to enter the NBA draft after his freshman season. In a recent interview with ESPN’s Andy Katz, Adams indicated he wants to win an NCAA title before thinking about his NBA future. This is definitely encouraging to the Pitt faithful, but don’t count on four years of Adams.
Adams was a big get for Jamie Dixon and his staff. His undeniable talent and work ethic will strengthen and energize Pitt’s team this season; if he sticks around for a couple years, Pitt will have a star center capable of being the best big man in the ACC
From May 6th
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Steven-Adams-6301/
NBA Draft Prospect of the Week: Steven Adams
May 6, 2013 Scouting Report by Jonathan Givony. Video Analysis by Mike Schmitz
Steven Adams is a prospect we've been evaluating for the better part of three years now, having watched him for the first time in Los Angeles at the adidas Nations when he was 16 years old, and virtually a complete unknown. His profile increased substantially a year later when he again returned to the adidas Nations and had a very impressive outing against a number of top high school recruits, which kicked off speculation that he might skip college and enter the 2012 NBA Draft as a 19-year old early-entry candidate.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/mmdpZD61dUw
Adams eventually elected to honor his commitment to Pitt after moving to the US mid-season to attend Notre Dame Prep, a ”school” with a checkered past which served as a holding spot to keep him in line to get eligible for college.
Adams had an up and down freshman season, looking fairly raw as was expected for those familiar with his background as a late-bloomer with limited basketball experience, but still dropping enough glimpses of potential to keep scouts interested in his long-term development. When the season ended, Adams told reporters he will be returning for his sophomore season, even sounding slightly annoyed to being asked about it: ““I don't know why you guys keep asking that question, man. I'm coming back.”
Once Adams returned to New Zealand to visit his family for a week, things changed, as he returned to Pittsburgh and shortly after announced his intentions to enter the draft, citing his desire to help his family.
“It's time for me to help my family. There's certain family members who I feel need a bit more help than the others. I don't like seeing them struggle. It's quite sad to see your family struggle, you know what I'm saying. I don't want to see that anymore."
Adams' main virtues as a NBA prospect continue to revolve heavily around his physical profile, as he has rare size, a strong frame, and excellent athleticism. He runs the floor well, is extremely mobile, and has very good quickness for a player his height, also being capable of playing above the rim when called upon.
Offensively, Adams was a very limited player at Pitt, averaging 7 points in 23 minutes, or 12.3 points per-40 minutes, which is the fourth lowest rate of any of the 75 college players in our top-100 prospects. While he was efficient from the field in his limited attempts (57%), he struggled badly from the free throw line, making just 44% of his attempts, a pretty good indication of where his skill-level is at in this stage of his development.
Not a focal point of Pitt's offense, being responsible for just 11% of his team's overall possessions, Adams' biggest source of touches came from the offensive glass, where he was extremely effective. His 5.2 offensive rebounds per-40 minutes ranks 3rd best among collegiate top-100 prospects, as his combination of size, quickness, mobility and intensity were extremely effective in making his presence felt on the offensive glass.
He also saw some looks working off the ball, running the floor in transition, and even occasionally with his back to the basket, but struggled to make the most of such opportunities on a consistent basis.
Adams has very crude footwork in the post and little in the ways of countermoves if the defender is able to cut off his initial action. He often decides what he wants to do with the ball seemingly before he even catches it, not reacting to how his defender is playing him and struggling to improvise on the fly if his initial plan goes awry. He's very mechanical with his movements and not overly instinctive with his approach to the game, which leaves some concerns about how much he can improve on this end of the floor in time.
Even more concerning though is how poor of a finisher he appeared to be around the basket this year. Adams seems to have smaller hands than average for a player his size and had a difficult time catching the ball cleanly all season long resulting in quite a few turnovers. He bobbles the ball on the catch regularly, as he seems to need to have it thrown to him perfectly so he can get two hands around it, at times using his chest to assist him. Because of his lack of control upon catching it, he tends to either hesitate going up strong for the finish, or just throws the ball up on the rim, seemingly just hoping for the best. The fact that he doesn't get great extension on his moves around the rim makes him fairly predictable and resulted in him getting his shot blocked a fair amount relative to his small number of touches.
Additionally, Adams has a bit of a subdued, non-chalant demeanor on the floor, rarely looking angry or in much of a hurry, which results in some relatively soft finishes. While he's very explosive, rarely did you see him getting angry and just powering up through a defender and jamming it home, which further hampered his effectiveness on this end of the floor.
Stepping away from the basket, Adams is not much of a threat, as you would probably guess by his mediocre free throw shooting percentages (44%). He shoots the ball with poor mechanics, locking his elbow, not setting his feet, and showing no follow through on his release. Combine that with his average touch and it seems he has a long ways to go to become a legitimate threat outside of the immediate vicinity of the basket.
Where Adams looks much closer to being able to contribute to a NBA team is on the defensive end. His quickness and overall mobility is extremely impressive for a player his size, and allows him to make a significant impact on this side of the floor, particularly on the pick and roll. Adams can step out on screens and recover very effectively, even being able to switch out on guards at times and not look entirely uncomfortable. He'll get beat off the dribble at times, but is athletic enough to recover and still make a play at the rim, showing very good instincts as a shot-blocker.
Adams seems to have good potential as a rim-protector, already rejecting 3.7 blocks per-40 as a freshman, which ranks fifth among collegiate top-100 prospects.
In the post, Adams does a solid job, looking patient and not fouling too often, playing under control and showing a much better feel than he does on the offensive end.
With that said, Adams' technique and fundamentals still have a long ways to go, as he tends to give up deep post-position too frequently to stronger opponents, closes out wildly contesting shots on the perimeter, gets lost off the ball, and will make some ill-advised plays stemming from his lack of experience and coaching.
Adams also isn't as good of a defensive rebounder as you might hope, ranking second to last in that category among top-100 collegiate centers. He rarely boxes out opponents, mistimes his jumps, and has a difficult time coming away with loose balls in traffic because of his small hands, something he'll need to improve on considering the role he'll be expected to play in the NBA.
All in all, Adams is clearly a long-term project who a team will need to invest a few years of solid coaching in order to be able to expect to reap benefits from down the road. He may never develop into anything more than an average player offensively, but has excellent potential defensively thanks to his terrific physical tools, which could convince a NBA team to invest a pick on him somewhere late in the first round. Teams will first want to get a better feel for his mental approach and all-around feel for the game in private workouts, interviews and background checks.
Measurements and updates from day 1:
Steven Adams -
6'10.75' w/o shoes
7 feet with shoes on,
7'4" wing span, and
9'1.5" standing reach
11in hand width
9.5 Hand Length
6.7% Body Fat
(Chad Ford)
The seven-footer, who attended Pittsburgh for a year, showed great strides from the player who arrived from New Zealand in 2012.
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
Former Pitt center Steven Adams tells @ESPNAndyKatz he has been working on his jump shot "a lot." Says learning curve is "a big one." 12:33 PM - 16 May 2013
At the combine, he was consistently the most mobile big man. He shot the ball well, and his performance had to make scouts believe he could contribute sooner than some may have believed
Chad Ford ✔ @chadfordinsider
Best two players I've seen at the Combine today have been Steven Adams and Rudy Gobert. Both helping themselves a lot here
12:06 PM - 16 May 2013
Updates, video and stuff provided by the rest of you:
STAT #15 (appears to be concerned or curious when it comes to the fertility of Steven's father, possibly looking for pointers)
More on the whole youngest of 18 children thing:
"His father Sid Adams was an Englishman who settled in New Zealand after serving in the Royal Navy. Steven was the youngest of Sid's 18 children with five different women; his mother is Tongan. His siblings and half-siblings are notable for their unusual size and athletic prowess. His father's male children average 6'9" (2.06 m), and his female children average 6' (1.83 m)."
Why is this important? It's not. But 18 kids? 18? I had to know more.
oasis05 #16 (sounds like he's turned on by the muscular build of Stevens sister, should we be worried?)
[video=youtube;fmq_o9jnFGg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmq_o9jnFGg[/video]
Steven Adams big sister Valerie Adams goes 6'4'' 265 lbs of solid muscle. I can imagine how big steven adams is going to be as he fills out.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-2013-winners-and-losers-from-chicago/page/2
Winner: Steven Adams, Pittsburgh
Steven Adams was the biggest winner from this year's event.
Normally, most combine winners generate buzz during physical measurements. But Adams created his based on simple basketball drills in front of executives, scouts and coaches.
He was knocking down jumpers left and right as if he's been saving them for the right time. At Pittsburgh, Adams did most of his damage by catching and dunking at the rim. He'd go weeks at a time without attempting a shot outside the paint.
But during drills, Adams was not only accurate, his stroke was fluid. It looked natural. He was swishing shots in rhythm during the pick-and-pop drills and converting one-dribble pullups comfortably.
After watching his shooting drills, it appears that this skill was hidden in Pittsburgh's offense.
This is promising from a development standpoint, as teams now know they have something to work with and build on.
He also gave a strong interview with Andy Katz on national television, seeming down to Earth, self-aware and personable. The interviews are a very underrated aspect of the process. It can go a long way if you're able to charm a coaching staff or general manager.
Adams measured in at 7'0'' with shoes and a monstrous 7'4.5'' wingspan, almost an inch longer than Nerlens Noel's.
Given this new information, teams may no longer view Adams as that hit-or-miss, long-term prospect. He's going to continue impressing in workouts based on his size, athleticism, deceptive touch and character.
The lottery now seems like a reasonable possibility
Athletic testing results
http://nbadraft.net/forum/2013-nba-combine-athletic-testing-results
Three-quarter time 3.4
Lane agility time 11.85
Modified time 3.02
Standing leap 28.5
Maximum leap 33
2013 NBA Draft Thread:
NorthCoastKid ##4977
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Just got done with Cleveland workout! Their facility is absolutely AMAZING!!!</p>— Steven Adams (@RealStevenAdams) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealStevenAdams/status/344184966743195649">June 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Oh I also got a photo with Big Z!!!! He is the man! I know my tshirt shrunk in the dryer. <a href="http://t.co/vEatIONnVe" title="http://twitter.com/RealStevenAdams/status/344199219848032257/photo/1">twitter.com/RealStevenAdam…</a></p>— Steven Adams (@RealStevenAdams) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealStevenAdams/status/344199219848032257">June 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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