Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[DG's wallet]

Both guys blow. End of story.

Valid point that one was a first rounder and another a fourth though.

I honestly didn't know anything about Callaway in college... Did he have drop issues there? I know with Coleman it was a concern hesding into the draft

 

[Jack Brickman]

"Far less"

Coleman has been bad and yet he's basically on track to match Coleman's rookie year production.

I could post about "flashes" and "breakout 3rd year" for the next 2 years for Callaway like many people here did for Coleman the last two years, but I'm not gonna do it. Coleman sucked, period. So has Callaway so far. Coleman was given his chance and now Callaway is getting his. Hopefully he starts catching the ball. If not, he'll be greeting people at Walmart with Coleman pretty soon.

Well, to be fair, Coleman missed half of his rookie year. If you were to project both of their stats for a full season, you'd get:

Coleman - 53 catches, 677 yards, 5 touchdowns
Callaway - 40 catches, 514 yards, 3 touchdowns

And that's obviously not factoring in the vast difference at quarterback or in general team talent level. Callaway is getting darts thrown to him by the number one overall pick on a team talented enough to make the playoffs. Coleman was playing with game managers and journeymen on a team designed to lose.

Finally, I'm not already writing Callaway off. He certainly could improve. Every single year we get third year WRs breaking out (see: Boyd, Tyler), so the book is far from written. It's just not terribly promising that he's getting the volume he's getting and producing so poorly. Callaway has gotten at least nine targets in three of Mayfield's four games thus far, and he's managed to turn those thirty targets into a pathetic 83 yards and zero touchdowns. Most guys who break out later weren't getting those kinds of targets right out of the gate and had to slowly work their way up the depth chart.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

It was a very popular stance on this board that Callaway was a first round talent who only went in the 4th round because of character concerns

So while we spent less draft capital on him, people were singing his praises as a first round talent ready to step in day 1 and be a quality receiver

I have seen none of this first round talent

I’m not saying give up on him, but he destroys the offense when he’s in. He’s been one of the worst receivers in the NFL and simply can’t continue to get targets at the absurd rate he has thus far. Like even 1/3 the amount of targets is too many.

 

[Jack Brickman]

It was a very popular stance on this board that Callaway was a first round talent who only went in the 4th round because of character concerns

So while we spent less draft capital on him, people were singing his praises as a first round talent ready to step in day 1 and be a quality receiver

I have seen none of this first round talent

I’m not saying give up on him, but he destroys the offense when he’s in. He’s been one of the worst receivers in the NFL and simply can’t continue to get targets at the absurd rate he has thus far. Like even 1/3 the amount of targets is too many.

I do agree that the amount of respective draft capital invested in each guy makes Coleman busting hurt worse than Callaway. But other than that, Callaway has been significantly worse despite being in a much, much, much, much better situation.

 

[Ohio]

But other than that, Callaway has been significantly worse despite being in a much, much, much, much better situation

He had an injured Tyrod Taylor throwing to him for 2.5 of the 6 games he's played and is also coached by Hue Jackson.

We've already been over how their production isn't all that different.

It's not possible to be "significantly worse" than Corey Coleman. And it's also impossible to be in a "much, much, much, much better situation" being a player on this Browns team. This hyperbole is ridiculous.

 

[Jack Brickman]

He had an injured Tyrod Taylor throwing to him for 2.5 of the 6 games he's played and is also coached by Hue Jackson.

We've already been over how their production isn't all that different.

It's not possible to be "significantly worse" than Corey Coleman. And it's also impossible to be in a "much, much, much, much better situation" being a player on this Browns team. This hyperbole is ridiculous.

He got a combined five targets in weeks one and two, so using that as any kind of evidence is pointless. Further, his best game was week two with Tyrod under center, so that argument doesn't really hold any water to begin with.

I agree that he's also coached by Hue Jackson, which is bad, but Baker Mayfield alone makes it a much better situation, and that's not even factoring in Landry, Hyde, and Chubb, all of whom are better offensive players than anyone Coleman played with other than Duke Johnson, who is also still here.

 

[Ohio]

He got a combined five targets in weeks one and two, so using that as any kind of evidence is pointless. Further, his best game was week two with Tyrod under center, so that argument doesn't really hold any water to begin with.

Right. Because Tyrod refused to throw the ball other than the desperate long pass at the end of the Saints game.

Either bad QB play matters or it doesn't.

Anyway, this is pointless, particularly in the Baker Mayfield thread. Corey Coleman fucking sucks and so does Antonio Callaway so far. The end.

 

[The Voice]

I'd be more pissed he was missing check downs and wasnt finding open guys.

But he is still finding/throwing guys open. They just cannot catch the fucking ball.

This isn’t the case every time though, sometimes the shorter route is the best route.

 

[The Voice]

I honestly didn't know anything about Callaway in college... Did he have drop issues there? I know with Coleman it was a concern hesding into the draft

Yes, he couldn’t drop the weed.

 

[godfather]

Our skill receivers got to be the worst in the league. The small size sample has been small, but Higgins has been the most productive. At best, he should be your number three guy.

I think Landry is still our best. But, eh, I've never been that high on him.

Landry has been inconsistent. Outside the Steelers and Jets game, he's been pretty bad.

I still don't understand the mind thinking. Landry is known to quit on the field, and comes with baggage. But they ship out the more talented guy, because bring baggage.

Organization can't get out of its own way, from making logical sense.

I really don't want to go into next years draft using high picks on receivers either.

They really fucked up thinking this group would be good enough.

 

[godfather]

It was a very popular stance on this board that Callaway was a first round talent who only went in the 4th round because of character concerns

So while we spent less draft capital on him, people were singing his praises as a first round talent ready to step in day 1 and be a quality receiver

I have seen none of this first round talent

I’m not saying give up on him, but he destroys the offense when he’s in. He’s been one of the worst receivers in the NFL and simply can’t continue to get targets at the absurd rate he has thus far. Like even 1/3 the amount of targets is too many.

I just don't even see the upside. He doesn't come off having any football instincts at all. How many times does this idiot not even know where the ball is?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Our skill receivers got to be the worst in the league. The small size sample has been small, but Higgins has been the most productive. At best, he should be your number three guy.

I don't know if I'd write Higgins off as a WR3 so quickly. He's only in his second year and he's looked very good with Baker. He's not much of an athlete (by NFL standards), but he's got a nice production profile from college. Over 40% dominator rating and a 91st percentile breakout age, both of which tend to be things you see from guys who go on to be good NFL receivers.

Right. Because Tyrod refused to throw the ball other than the desperate long pass at the end of the Saints game.

Either bad QB play matters or it doesn't.

Anyway, this is pointless, particularly in the Baker Mayfield thread. Corey Coleman fucking sucks and so does Antonio Callaway so far. The end.

Well, the point was that he's pretty much sucked regardless of who has been throwing him the ball, but he didn't get enough targets the first two weeks to really take much away, and his good game was buoyed by the long bomb.

But at least we've seen him with a real QB throwing to him. We never got that with Coleman. And given that we've seen what having a good QB has done for both Duke and especially Njoku (both of whom were nonexistent weeks one and two but have come alive since Baker took over), I think it's fair to wonder what Coleman might have looked like with Baker throwing to him.

 

[Soda]

I just don't even see the upside. He doesn't come off having any football instincts at all. How many times does this idiot not even know where the ball is?

What?!

I've only seen Braylon & Josh Gordon break away like Callaway does at the :30 mark for the Browns since 1999.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug51lGi55u0&feature=youtu.be


I see plenty of "instincts" in this video.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Awo3B31s0


Looks an awful lot like some of what he did in the video above at Florida.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irRcB4iwJR4




Some of you folks really are extremely wishy-washy. Give this rookie more than a third of a season. Yeesh.

And we're wondering what Corey Coleman what have done with Baker?
Corey Coleman failed Corey Coleman. He simply doesn't care enough to play. Tom Brady didn't change Corey Coleman's attitude FFS.

 

[Frank Stallone]

I do not understand the Callaway hate... at all. I get the point that he has had some major issues (well, issue: drops), but it’s been six games. We’ve held out much longer for players who haven’t shown ANY signs of being good.

He has missed a ton of good balls, but he has also responded with a big catch in every game outside of Pittsburgh. He has elite separation, the dude is a speedster, he just has some stuff to work on. The skills are there. I do wonder what a good staff does for him, too, ala Agoholor in Philadelphia.

I’ll give him time, though. After years of watching Marlon Moore and other shitty guys, I’ll give this guy more than a few weeks.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

but he has also responded with a big catch in every game outside of Pittsburgh.

I prefer to deal with facts buddy boy, and this ain’t one

Look I said give him time to develop, but he is one of the very worst receivers in the NFL currently and he can’t continue to get as many snaps and targets as he has.

I don’t want this to be a development playground anymore. I want to win. Callaway is actively hurting that goal every week