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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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Its almost like Calloway missed a whole year of development in college.

I think most of us are fine with giving guys time to develop, but if they need that time we shouldn't be trading away two other WRs and giving them a ton of targets they aren't ready for. Usually if a WR needs development time you bring them along slowly, not throw them straight into the fire and try to force them into being a WR2 right out the gate.
 
I think most of us are fine with giving guys time to develop, but if they need that time we shouldn't be trading away two other WRs and giving them a ton of targets they aren't ready for. Usually if a WR needs development time you bring them along slowly, not throw them straight into the fire and try to force them into being a WR2 right out the gate.

If you look at it on a case by case basis, I think both were justified in being traded.

Coleman is available without a job, so we could have him if wanted, but no one else in the league wants him either.

Gordon is crazy talented but just finally over stepped his welcome with the injury, getting drunk night before practice where he showed up late and still drunk. He had to go too.
 
If you look at it on a case by case basis, I think both were justified in being traded.

Coleman is available without a job, so we could have him if wanted, but no one else in the league wants him either.

Gordon is crazy talented but just finally over stepped his welcome with the injury, getting drunk night before practice where he showed up late and still drunk. He had to go too.

I mean, I get why both of those guys are gone, but at the same time it seems silly to trade away two guys who have proven far more than Callaway has in the NFL without any sort of back-up plan in place other than giving Callaway ten targets a game that he's not ready for.
 
I mean, I get why both of those guys are gone, but at the same time it seems silly to trade away two guys who have proven far more than Callaway has in the NFL without any sort of back-up plan in place other than giving Callaway ten targets a game that he's not ready for.

To be fair, we have lost 3 receivers in 2 weeks due to injury including Higgins who was looking very good finally. That amount of injuries is not predictable.
 
To be fair, we have lost 3 receivers in 2 weeks due to injury including Higgins who was looking very good finally. That amount of injuries is not predictable.
Callaway was getting reps ahead of Higgins and Willies from week 1

Callaway is borderline unplayable currently. People can point to him getting open all they want, but at this point he is just brutal as an nfl receiver. Routine catches are a toss up, and if the catch is even slightly more difficult than routine then fucking forget it. He’s not catching it. I haven’t seen hands like this since Greg fucking Little
 
Callaway was getting reps ahead of Higgins and Willies from week 1

Callaway is borderline unplayable currently. People can point to him getting open all they want, but at this point he is just brutal as an nfl receiver. Routine catches are a toss up, and if the catch is even slightly more difficult than routine then fucking forget it. He’s not catching it. I haven’t seen hands like this since Greg fucking Little

And it's kind of funny after people killed Coleman for the drops. Coleman never looked even close to as bad as Callaway has.
 
Callaway was getting reps ahead of Higgins and Willies from week 1

Callaway is borderline unplayable currently. People can point to him getting open all they want, but at this point he is just brutal as an nfl receiver. Routine catches are a toss up, and if the catch is even slightly more difficult than routine then fucking forget it. He’s not catching it. I haven’t seen hands like this since Greg fucking Little

I actually think Higgins is solid too. Maybe not your number 2 idea guy, but would be fine as our number 3.

Runs solid routes. And honestly, has been our most reliable receiver. Better than Landry, he's just gotten so little reps.

It's infuriating guys that are producing in very limited time, continue to not get reps.

We can thank this asshole staff for never getting anything right!
 
And it's kind of funny after people killed Coleman for the drops. Coleman never looked even close to as bad as Callaway has.
Coleman was a bum and a literal waste of a 1st round pick.

He's unemployed for a reason. He's trash. He always was. It's more than time to get over him.

The difference between the two, for now, is that Callaway can actually get open. On the rare occasion Coleman actually ran a crisp enough route to get open, he too dropped the ball.

Expectations are different based on draft position. If Callaway busts, it's not a big deal. He was a 4th round pick. Corey Coleman is among the worst NFL draft picks in recent memory. From 1st round to out of the league in 2 years. Pathetic. Only the Browns...
 
Coleman was a bum and a literal waste of a 1st round pick.

He's unemployed for a reason. He's trash. He always was. It's more than time to get over him.

The difference between the two, for now, is that Callaway can actually get open. On the rare occasion Coleman actually ran a crisp enough route to get open, he too dropped the ball.

Expectations are different based on draft position. If Callaway busts, it's not a big deal. He was a 4th round pick. Corey Coleman is among the worst NFL draft picks in recent memory. From 1st round to out of the league in 2 years. Pathetic. Only the Browns...
I'm finding it hard to read how you feel about CoCo.
 
Coleman was a bum and a literal waste of a 1st round pick.

He's unemployed for a reason. He's trash. He always was. It's more than time to get over him.

The difference between the two, for now, is that Callaway can actually get open. On the rare occasion Coleman actually ran a crisp enough route to get open, he too dropped the ball.

Expectations are different based on draft position. If Callaway busts, it's not a big deal. He was a 4th round pick. Corey Coleman is among the worst NFL draft picks in recent memory. From 1st round to out of the league in 2 years. Pathetic. Only the Browns...

Eh, the Coleman drop issue was always overstated. From what I can find, he had eight drops over 19 career games. He was 53rd in drop rate in 2016 and 40th in drops in 2017 (couldn't find drop rate rank for that year). Callaway is already at six in six games, which is second in the NFL (and third in drop rate).

And we should probably also consider that Coleman's catchable target rate was almost ten percent lower than Callaway's has been. Callaway has the benefit of far better QB play and accuracy and has somehow managed to do far less than what Coleman did with worse quarterbacking. That, to me, is a huge red flag.

Finally, I'll add that, for the talk of Coleman not creating separation, his average yards of separation from the closest defender from 2017 is virtually identical to Callaway's this year, 1.21 for Coleman and 1.24 for Callaway. Creating separation was not Coleman's issue. His issue was between the ears. Seems pretty much the same for Callaway, although we already knew that coming in given all of his issues.

Not trying to defend Coleman, though, so much as point out how much worse Callaway has been.
 
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Both guys blow. End of story.

Valid point that one was a first rounder and another a fourth though.
 
Both guys blow. End of story.

Valid point that one was a first rounder and another a fourth though.

That's fair.

Although I can't help but wonder if Coleman might have became something with a better coaching staff. Dude needed development, especially on the mental side of the game, and he came to probably the worst landing spot in the NFL for developing players.

Same is likely true for Callaway. Dude came in a knucklehead and we've probably got the worst staff for dealing with that sort of thing since our coaches are fucking dumb too.
 
Eh, the Coleman drop issue was always overstated. From what I can find, he had eight drops over 19 career games. He was 53rd in drop rate in 2016 and 40th in drops in 2017 (couldn't find drop rate rank for that year). Callaway is already at six in six games, which is second in the NFL (and third in drop rate).

And we should probably also consider that Coleman's catchable target rate was almost ten percent lower than Callaway's has been. Callaway has the benefit of far better QB play and accuracy and has somehow managed to do far less than what Coleman did with worse quarterbacking. That, to me, is a huge red flag.

Finally, I'll add that, for the talk of Coleman not creating separation, his average yards of separation from the closest defender from 2017 is virtually identical to Callaway's this year, 1.21 for Coleman and 1.24 for Callaway. Creating separation was not Coleman's issue. His issue was between the ears. Seems pretty much the same for Callaway, although we already knew that coming in given all of his issues.

Not trying to defend Coleman, though, so much as point out how much worse Callaway has been.
"Far less" :chuckle:

Coleman has been bad and yet he's basically on track to match Coleman's rookie year production.

I could post about "flashes" and "breakout 3rd year" for the next 2 years for Callaway like many people here did for Coleman the last two years, but I'm not gonna do it. Coleman sucked, period. So has Callaway so far. Coleman was given his chance and now Callaway is getting his. Hopefully he starts catching the ball. If not, he'll be greeting people at Walmart with Coleman pretty soon.
 

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