Ben McLemore: Worth the risk?

[KeyzerSozee]

I'm getting tired of the OKC comparisons.

Irving is a PG. Waiters is a SG. McLemore is a SG.

Durant is a SF. Westbrook is a PG. Harden is a SG.

One of these things is not like the other.

I am too. Because honestly we are doing it with a lot less help in terms of stand out players. And in my opinion doing a better job. Just like Gilbert said we have been watching (scouting) the whole year. Whatever Grant is putting in the water, doing, I think will be the status quo pretty soon.

I do not think our Re-build will be like OKC. I think bringing Mike Brown in/how the playoffs are going is showing honestly we'd rather build young guys to be a team like the Pistons were to an extent.

The only reason I brought up OKC is that Waiters obviously can run the point and plays well with the ball in his hands. He has experience being a 6th man off the bench who closes out games. If you can make it work and McLemore is phenomenal you gotta try. You have Dion splitting minutes between PG and SG and you have an extremely gifted back-Court.

We will not be anything like OKC in reality other than the Comparison of timing/draft building. My only point was this is a bit of a special situation as Dion can play PG (see Kyrie out and Rookie of the Month) and while the best player on Cuse was a Harden player on OKC. So if McLemore is so much better you have to look at him.

I hope we take Noel as I didn't bother watching much until we won the Lottery and see he is a special presence not just from athleticism/blocks but he actually was on Pace to set a record for steals. Not just easy/Lazy entrance passes, he picked the pocket of plenty of perimeter players to start a break. But McLemore if rated so much higher, we should be talking about.


Just like we should be talking about 19 as really if everyone thinks it a weak draft I trust Grant in that range. Probably trading down. But, I am sure he has his eyes on guys off the radar and won't be reaching.

 

[Dr. Claw]

He reminds me of Jeremy Lamb, which would be nice to have as an asset, but not preferable as a building block. I would take Oladipo over McLemore.

IMO, Jeremy Lamb is who the Cavs should have picked last year if they were going SG. I like Dion, but unless he truly can be coached into can cut down on the Cut-Rate Kobe and being pressed for minutes... We could have still gotten Dion last draft even if that was the move.

It's water under the bridge now. SF is still a gaping hole, I'd go there.

 

[Jack Brickman]

If we pass on Noel to take McLemore, Rchfld might have a coronary. :chuckles:

 

[godfather]

I don't think he's anywhere close to as good as Dion personally. But say the Cavs get involved in a potential blockbuster trade(that doesn't involve the number one), and must include Waiters, then I wouldn't mind drafting him.

Seems odd to draft someone number one, when he'll be coming off the bench though.

Also, I'm tired of the Thunder comparisons, because I don't want to be anything like them. The Thunder, and the way they build their team is OVERRATED. When Westbrook went down, at the end of the day, Durant had a worse supporting cast than any time LB had during his playoff run.

Presti is the most overhyped GM in the NBA.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't think he's anywhere close to as good as Dion personally. But say the Cavs get involved in a potential blockbuster trade(that doesn't involve the number one), and must include Waiters, then I wouldn't mind drafting him.

Seems odd to draft someone number one, when he'll be coming off the bench though.

Also, I'm tired of the Thunder comparisons, because I don't want to be anything like them. The Thunder, and the way they build their team is OVERRATED. When Westbrook went down, at the end of the day, Durant had a worse supporting cast than any time LB had during his playoff run.

Presti is the most overhyped GM in the NBA.

I think Presti was doing all right until he traded James Harden for a pack of peanuts and a sixer of Bud Light. Granted, he got rooked on the Perkins trade, but that was definitely one of those "hindsight" trades that it's hard to blame him for, as everyone thought he hit a homer with it at the time.

 

[jcefaratti]

I don't think he's anywhere close to as good as Dion personally. But say the Cavs get involved in a potential blockbuster trade(that doesn't involve the number one), and must include Waiters, then I wouldn't mind drafting him.

Seems odd to draft someone number one, when he'll be coming off the bench though.

Also, I'm tired of the Thunder comparisons, because I don't want to be anything like them. The Thunder, and the way they build their team is OVERRATED. When Westbrook went down, at the end of the day, Durant had a worse supporting cast than any time LB had during his playoff run.

Presti is the most overhyped GM in the NBA.

Wait...what???

Sasha, Gooden, Hughes and Z was the supporting cast when LBJ took us to the finals. That is AWFUL. Ibaka is better than all of them, and Martin probably is too. I would take Z over Jackson and Perkins, but that is probably it. Sasha, Gooden and Hughes are all bench players on OKC during the 2nd rd Grizz/OKC matchup.

 

[Nathan S]

Wait...what???

Sasha, Gooden, Hughes and Z was the supporting cast when LBJ took us to the finals. That is AWFUL. Ibaka is better than all of them, and Martin probably is too. I would take Z over Jackson and Perkins, but that is probably it. Sasha, Gooden and Hughes are all bench players on OKC during the 2nd rd Grizz/OKC matchup.

I laughed out loud at the thought of Gooden defending Z-Bo :chuckles:

 

[NarlCavs]

McLemore might be the safest of the potential top 5 picks. I do think he will be an effective scorer in the NBA. We should forget about the idea of a dominant player at the top this year. There isn't one available in this draft.
That being said, it would be tough to take a SG #1 overall after last year's draft.

 

[The Process God]

If we pass on Noel to take McLemore, Rchfld might have a coronary. :chuckles:

I'm just hoping the Cavs take Noel so he shuts up.

 

[Bill Walton.]

Biggest knock on B Mac is his inability to takeover games.


Sounds irrelevant when you have KI. He's the guy Noel is the kind of pick that could kill a rebuild

 

[shoes22]

No way McLemore ends up a Cav. Can't see any scenario where that's a realistic option.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Biggest knock on B Mac is his inability to takeover games.


Sounds irrelevant when you have KI. He's the guy Noel is the kind of pick that could kill a rebuild

Any pick could kill a rebuild if the player busts.

 

[godfather]

I think Presti was doing all right until he traded James Harden for a pack of peanuts and a sixer of Bud Light. Granted, he got rooked on the Perkins trade, but that was definitely one of those "hindsight" trades that it's hard to blame him for, as everyone thought he hit a homer with it at the time.

The entire roster around Durant is awful. Even as good as Westbrook is, there's some "questions" how well they co-exist.

To the poster below, how you seriously fail to mention Andy is beyond me. Andy was as important as any player, if not more, in helping us on both ends of the floor.

Back on topic,

Cavs are going to take Noel if he checks out. There's no debate about it. McLemore makes absolutely zero sense, unless by some reason Dion is not on the roster leading up to draft night.

He's one, not the best player on the board. Two, he wouldn't be the best player at his position on the team. You don't draft that guy number one. It's not like he's Wiggins, too good to pass up regardless of position.

 

[Binkster]

IMO, Jeremy Lamb is who the Cavs should have picked last year if they were going SG. I like Dion, but unless he truly can be coached into can cut down on the Cut-Rate Kobe and being pressed for minutes... We could have still gotten Dion last draft even if that was the move.

It's water under the bridge now. SF is still a gaping hole, I'd go there.

What you just said was deliciously confusing.

 

[KB]

I think Presti was doing all right until he traded James Harden for a pack of peanuts and a sixer of Bud Light. Granted, he got rooked on the Perkins trade, but that was definitely one of those "hindsight" trades that it's hard to blame him for, as everyone thought he hit a homer with it at the time.

You bring up the Harden trade everytime you can yet you have not given one scenerio where they would have been able to keep Harden that doesn't involve Harden signing either QO or a reasonable multi year deal.

Harden turned down a reasonable mult year deal that lead to him being traded. For Harden to sign a QO that means Harden wouldn't have gotten an offer in FA that exceeded 7mil, which is laughable when the Rockets, Mavs, Cavs all could have offered Harden a max deal this summer.

It's like you have no grasp of the new CBA rules for tax paying teams at all and that if OKC would have given Harden max money like Harden wanted OKC would be at the same tax level the Lakers will hit if they re-sign Dwignt, keep Pau and don't amnesty Kobe. Meaning 65-70 mil$ in tax alone

And no, an amnesty of Perkins doesn't fix that issue it drops the tax OKC would have had to pay for being over cap to 50-60mil$

It's pretty funny and will continue to be funny.