Browns 2018 Season Reboot Thread

[Snowblind]

If you subscribe to The Athletic, this is a really worthwhile read:

View: https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCLE/status/1072830808627519488

Read that article this morning and it was great. I know kitchens said he was just using Hayleys playbook, but he's thrown wrinkles in from Arians. One of the main things this article talks about is how Arians built a relationship with his quarterbacks and asked their input in the plays. Definitely see why baker likes him.

Really starting to think adding Arians might be one of the better options for the Browns right now. Unfortunately, that probably means keeping Amos.

 

[JDailey23]

I’m poor/cheap.
Does the article mention the/a connection between Freddie and Arians?
It says lessons learned from....

That was literally the first thing @NorthCoastBias said

 

[dark2332]

I’m poor/cheap.
Does the article mention the/a connection between Freddie and Arians?
It says lessons learned from....

To summarize:

Yes, it does. It talks about how Arians liked to draw up a few home-run balls that were actions off something he did the week before. He'd draw up 5 or 6 of them on the whiteboard and label them. These were the big play shots he was planning to take.

They showed with film that Freddie has done the same thing, and clearly took this from Bruce. The first deep ball to Perriman was a play action off a counter run they ran the week before with the guard pulling and Njoku running a crossing route. Freddie loves to have lineman pull to sell the play-action.

Similar to Arians, Freddie gains his players--and most importantly--the QB's trust by allowing him to help build the game plan. Specifically, Freddie has now thrown a few plays in straight out of the Oklahoma playbook that have not been run elsewhere.

Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger raved about Arians for this very reason, feeling as though he completely trusted them. You see it in the players' effort for Kitchens, as even when they know they aren't getting the ball, receivers bust their ass on the fakes. You can tell they simply believe in the design.

Ted discussed how Sean Payton and the Saints popularized faking a fly sweep one way and then pitching the ball to Kamara in the opposite direction last season. Freddie stole this and added a 3rd action with Jarvis lagging from the slot and taking the hand-off going back the initial direction. Two fakes.

This is the play Jarvis scored on, and was later used on the 51 yard run. The first time, Kuechly bit hard on the pitch-fake. The second time--on the long run--he jumped at the initial fake sweep and got caught out of position.

They're having fun, and Freddie is playing chess while the defenses are playing checkers.

It was extremely impressive seeing how they were able to disguise and trick a player like Luke Kuechly.

It's a great film breakdown by Ted Nguyen, and I really couldn't be more impressed with Freddie Kitchens after reading it.

 

[Juice is Loose]

I understand playing Denver this week has people talking about Bradley Chubb. But goooooood lord, all I heard on Cleveland sports radio this morning was Chubb vs Ward debate and if we made the right pick. I understand you gotta fill air time, but Christ almighty

 

[JDailey23]

It’ll be a debate forever, valid honestly.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

I understand playing Denver this week has people talking about Bradley Chubb. But goooooood lord, all I heard on Cleveland sports radio this morning was Chubb vs Ward debate and if we made the right pick. I understand you gotta fill air time, but Christ almighty

Not surprised when they've all feasted and thrived on selling negativity for the last 20 years. When Mary Kay Cabot is writing stories harping on the team passing on Deshaun Watson despite the Browns' rookie QB and team as a whole coming off a successful and fruitful stretch, you know there's a problem.

 

[MGMT]

Ward is likely out Saturday per CBS; goddamnit.

 

[The Voice]

Not surprised when they've all feasted and thrived on selling negativity for the last 20 years. When Mary Kay Cabot is writing stories harping on the team passing on Deshaun Watson despite the Browns' rookie QB and team as a whole coming off a successful and fruitful stretch, you know there's a problem.

Any member of this board could write and ask better questions then Mary Kay, we shouldn’t be using her as a bench mark for anything.

Don’t get me wrong Grossi was awful, but I’d rather have him then Mary Kay at this point. Wish she would get reassigned

 

[Lee]

Yes, it does. It talks about how Arians liked to draw up a few home-run balls that were actions off something he did the week before.

They showed with film that Freddie has done the same thing, and clearly took this from Bruce.

Similarly to Arians, Freddie gains his players--and most importantly--the QB's trust by allowing him to help build the game plan. Specifically, Freddie has now thrown a few plays in straight out of the Oklahoma playbook that have not been run elsewhere.

They're having fun, and Freddie is playing chess while the defenses are playing checkers.

It was extremely impressive seeing how they were able to disguise and trick a player like Luke Kuechly.

Why would you want imput from the QB, its not like he is out there actually running the plays or can give you real time input on what they are seeing or anything.

If you cant be trusted to give input in the NFL, you shouldn't be a QB in the NFL. The whole Haley vs Hue thing is just so annoying. Game plans are not a one person job every week. Lots of coaches and some players should have input on the offense.

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get. I want to hire hue and haley back just so we can fire them again.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Why would you want imput from the QB, its not like he is out there actually running the plays or can give you real time input on what they are seeing or anything.

If you cant be trusted to give input in the NFL, you shouldn't be a QB in the NFL. The whole Haley vs Hue thing is just so annoying. Game plans are not a one person job every week. Lots of coaches and some players should have input on the offense.

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get. I want to hire hue and haley back just so we can fire them again.

Yeah, the fact that people actually used the fact that Hue wasn't involved in the offense as a defense was fucking laughable. He's the head coach! And he comes from an offensive background! His job is literally to be involved in every aspect of the team, from offense to defense. Now, that doesn't mean he has to control everything or micromanage. Good coaches find good assistants and then help them do their jobs better.

Further, Hue didn't put Haley completely in charge of the offense because he thought it was good for the team. He did it so he'd have a scapegoat if the offense struggled, and it was the most goddamn obvious thing in the world.

You can contrast that with Williams. It seems like he gives Kitchens free will, but at the same time he's able to competently answer questions about the offense after the game, which shows that he does involve himself on that end, even if he doesn't call the plays.

 

[Ohio]

I understand playing Denver this week has people talking about Bradley Chubb. But goooooood lord, all I heard on Cleveland sports radio this morning was Chubb vs Ward debate and if we made the right pick. I understand you gotta fill air time, but Christ almighty

The bottom line is Dorsey nailed the pick and filled a bigger need with Ward.

Some Browns fans/media wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped them in the face.

 

[Real Deal]

Hopefully these type of 1st round busts are beyond us, always was a good trade in my opinion. I remember when people couldn't get behind this trade. Great job Dorsey!

 

[Juice is Loose]

The bottom line is Dorsey nailed the pick and filled a bigger need with Ward.

Some Browns fans/media wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped them in the face.

One caller said “I really wanted Barkley at 1 and whatever QB was left at 4”.

I think moving forward in every draft for here until we’re off this planet. After seeing how Baker has outperformed every rookie QB this year. You grab who you think is the best QB right away and don’t settle for whatever falls to you. Those decisions set your franchise back years and get GMs fired.

 

[Jack Brickman]

One caller said “I really wanted Barkley at 1 and whatever QB was left at 4”.

I think moving forward in every draft for here until we’re off this planet. After seeing how Baker has outperformed every rookie QB this year. You grab who you think is the best QB right away and don’t settle for whatever falls to you. Those decisions set your franchise back years and get GMs fired.

Barkley is awesome, but you take a franchise QB over a franchise RB literally 100% of the time. There was no world where taking Barkley first was a good move. If he falls to four, whatever, but you take your guy at QB first.

 

[FiveThous]

One caller said “I really wanted Barkley at 1 and whatever QB was left at 4”.

I think moving forward in every draft for here until we’re off this planet. After seeing how Baker has outperformed every rookie QB this year. You grab who you think is the best QB right away and don’t settle for whatever falls to you. Those decisions set your franchise back years and get GMs fired.

Did that person sound like they were a good sneeze away from being six feet under?