Browns stadium thread: To dome or not to dome

[raiders91sc]

I don't think many people are really against the dome idea. I think most of us here are on board with that.

I also think most agree that renovating the current stadium makes little to no sense. Whatever you add or restructure in the current stadium won't have the impact of a dome. Really I don't know what they can do to make stuff that much better at the current stadium. People come to watch the Browns, it's not like they come to hang out like with the Guardians and the stuff they changed with progressive field.

I think the debate is really where the new stadium should be. I think it would be bad for the city of Cleveland for it to leave. If the Haslams build in Brookpark it will pull money away from the city of Cleveland. I've said that eastsiders probably won't go to whatever they build around the stadium if it's in Brookpark outside of going to browns game and maybe some concerts. It will be an entertainment complex for the Westside. That being said I think if it's a good entertainment complex, then Westsiders are less likely to go downtown during the weekends. Visitors will be less likely to stay downtown if they are coming for Browns games or events at the new Brookpark complex. It's just unnecessary money being pulled away from the city of Cleveland which they need more than Brookpark does.

I totally agree with ur last part. If its in Brookpark I doubt I even stay in a hotel. My young adult kids love to stay downtown. Restaurants, bars, gambling, entertainment and Browns game is a very good weekend. Everything in the old buildings within walking distance. Not gonna happen in Brookpark.

 

[raiders91sc]

And yet downtown Cleveland feels bigger and more alive to me than downtown Phoenix.

With Phoenix growth coming entirely since 1990 (1 mill to over 5 mill in that time), I think there is something too Cleveland being an older city. I find Cleveland to have an adequate downtown. Obviously you cant compare it to a city like Chicago, but other Midwest cities like Milwaukee and Indianapolis have worse downtowns in my opinion, but my opinion is a bit old (been living out west and downtowns here feel completely different like San Diego, Phoenix, Denver, ect.

Indy downtown isn't terrible. Chicago for sporting events at bulls and white sox suck. Middle of no where and nothing to do.

 

[Lee]

Indy downtown isn't terrible. Chicago for sporting events at bulls and white sox suck. Middle of no where and nothing to do.

White Sox play in south chicago, not downtown. I dont 100% on the Bulls though, they do play close to downtown, Wrigleyville where the Cubs play is amazing, and United center is near the west loop which is another great area to party. And Untied center is only 3 miles from the old school and still top party area called Rush & Division.

But yes, the area around White Sox is awful, but what do you expect, the tore down the worst housing project in America to build New Comisky which is also the worst park i have ever been too.

 

[inliner311]

I totally agree with ur last part. If its in Brookpark I doubt I even stay in a hotel. My young adult kids love to stay downtown. Restaurants, bars, gambling, entertainment and Browns game is a very good weekend. Everything in the old buildings within walking distance. Not gonna happen in Brookpark.

Right, like the entertainment complex in Brookpark will need to have alot of different things to make it attractive. I think some of the hotel airports have even closed down in recent years because no one stays in them.

Brookpark itself has very little to offer to visitors so for this entertainment complex be successful, it will be all on the Haslams to build it out. I don't think that's an easy task especially since that's not the world the Haslam's have made their money from.

Really a site in the downtown area with the ability to buy up other property to expand would make alot more sense for them. This Brookpark land isn't anything anyone really wants and that should tell you something.

 

[2 For The Brew]

And yet downtown Cleveland feels bigger and more alive to me than downtown Phoenix.

With Phoenix growth coming entirely since 1990 (1 mill to over 5 mill in that time), I think there is something too Cleveland being an older city. I find Cleveland to have an adequate downtown. Obviously you cant compare it to a city like Chicago, but other Midwest cities like Milwaukee and Indianapolis have worse downtowns in my opinion, but my opinion is a bit old (been living out west and downtowns here feel completely different like San Diego, Phoenix, Denver, ect.

Don’t disagree but my main thought (which I didn’t specify) is that there isn’t a large area for a football stadium that’s readily available.

I was in Chicago recently and it was depressing. Covid and other issues have really hurt the Loop.

There’s a nice vacant piece of property located just of I-271 and Route 303. Close to I-77 as well. Very scenic. Historic too; Larry Bird’s last game was played there.

 

[Deezus]

Don’t disagree but my main thought (which I didn’t specify) is that there isn’t a large area for a football stadium that’s readily available.

I was in Chicago recently and it was depressing. Covid and other issues have really hurt the Loop.

There’s a nice vacant piece of property located just of I-271 and Route 303. Close to I-77 as well. Very scenic. Historic too; Larry Bird’s last game was played there.

I still miss that place! Saw my first 3 Cavs games there as a kid with my dad.

 

[southernflyer]

And yet downtown Cleveland feels bigger and more alive to me than downtown Phoenix.

With Phoenix growth coming entirely since 1990 (1 mill to over 5 mill in that time), I think there is something too Cleveland being an older city.

I think there is a major difference between pre and post WWII city structures/developments. Pre-WWII cities built up. Once the post-war boom of suburbs and the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 passed, populace spread out due to easier connections to and between cities. Cities then built outward.

 

[Lee]

Don’t disagree but my main thought (which I didn’t specify) is that there isn’t a large area for a football stadium that’s readily available.

I was in Chicago recently and it was depressing. Covid and other issues have really hurt the Loop.

There’s a nice vacant piece of property located just of I-271 and Route 303. Close to I-77 as well. Very scenic. Historic too; Larry Bird’s last game was played there.

I am from Akron, I would love to see the Browns in Richfield, but imo Brook Park is better because its in the same county which Richfield is Summit.

But it wont affect me any, I live in Phoenix as you know. I just need the Browns to stay in NE Ohio and get a fucking dome.

 

[raiders91sc]

Why not a retractable roof?

During the first half of the season it can remain open for the lovely Fall weather.

But they can close it once a temp threshold is reached or it is storming.

Or for the sake of maintaining the illusory Cleveland weather advantage, keep the dome open until game time so the field can get nice and cold and snowy.

I don't think it will be. Viking's stadium cost a little over a $Billion dollars. They had figured a retractable was 50 million more. That was 2016 and it seems building a dome has doubled since then at $2 billion. So probably $100 million extra now.

 

[ClevelandSportsFan]

I don't think it will be. Viking's stadium cost a little over a $Billion dollars. They had figured a retractable was 50 million more. That was 2016 and it seems building a dome has doubled since then at $2 billion. So probably $100 million extra now.

If you're spending that mcuh already, what's $100 million more? I really hope they go retractable. When we have beautiful Sundays in the fall, it'd be so nice to have the stadium open. Close it for November/December when it's 30 degrees, 50 mph winds, and raining or snowing or sleeting or graupel"ing"

 

[MikeOC33]

If you're spending that mcuh already, what's $100 million more? I really hope they go retractable. When we have beautiful Sundays in the fall, it'd be so nice to have the stadium open. Close it for November/December when it's 30 degrees, 50 mph winds, and raining or snowing or sleeting or graupel"ing"

Or if it's no snow, but 10 degrees and we have a hot weather city team coming in...open that fucker up!!

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Where is this proposed location by the airport in comparison to the flight paths for landing and taking off planes? I'd hope that a constant path of planes landing or taking off wouldn't be a part of the gameday experience even if it was a dome.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Where is this proposed location by the airport in comparison to the flight paths for landing and taking off planes? I'd hope that a constant path of planes landing or taking off wouldn't be a part of the gameday experience even if it was a dome.

Not in the flight paths at all.

 

[southernflyer]

Where is this proposed location by the airport in comparison to the flight paths for landing and taking off planes? I'd hope that a constant path of planes landing or taking off wouldn't be a part of the gameday experience even if it was a dome.

Southeast of runway 10/28 and east of both 6R/24L and 6L/24R. Not in direct flight paths. Across 237 from about Terminal B to the north to (old Continental ExpressJet) Terminal D.

 

[Thelastcavsfan]

Will they eventually change their name to the brookpark browns?