Browns stadium thread: To dome or not to dome

[Lee]

Just so we’re clear, I’m on team keeping the stadium in city limits, not just downtown.

I’m going to bow out of this though, I’m clearly in the minority of thinking that things shouldn’t be sprawled out, especially in this region of the subsidized suburbs cannibalize everything.

Your point has validity. I live in Phoenix...an enormous Urban sprawl and hate driving over 20 minutes which limits me to Phoenix, Westgate (Cardinals stadium) and Scottsdale. his means the entire east valley (Mesa, Tempe, Chandler, ect) is just not somewhere i like to go and about 2 million of the population lives there, or south phoenix (only Ahwatukee matters there, not much to do in places like Laveen) or far west like Surprise just arent places I go.

You should speak your mind, in your instance the revenue to the area that a stadium business district brings doesnt outweigh your desire to keep it in the limits. I dont agree with your point of view but I understand it......, but I dont live in the area, so your opinion has more validity than mine.

I see that you understand my points, build it and they will come, and if there was a reasonable way keeping it in Cleveland they should, I just dont see enough land available anywhere thus why Brook Park has become the best option.

For me, not getting a dome is a non starter, and if you need to move it to the surrounding area, you need to build a business district centered around the stadium. The Coliseum in Richfield was in the middle of nowhere much further than Brook Park and didnt have a business district. To me, with keeping your points in mind, I just think building by the air port is the best solution available. Fixing up a stadium without a dome is just dumb to me.

 

[Lee]

Didn't you guys fight a war over this with Ohio City?

Not sure, but in the 1800s there was a war over Toledo that ended with Ohio getting Toledo and the port on lake Erie and Michigan getting the Upper Peninsula. I have been to Toledo, Michigan won that battle especially since the UP has so many natural resources that has financially helped Michigan.

FYI, that is the beginning of the Ohio vs Michigan battle, didnt start with the colleges.

 

[macbdog]

I give a shit and plenty of others do too since we’re debating this. Kind of a shitty thing to say for stating my opinion. God forbid the Bibb administration doesn’t want to bow down to the almighty billionaire. No clue how they expect Brook Park of all places to help pitch in but go for it. Doesn’t matter about major roadways, you're going to have awful traffic because that’s how it works, it’s like when they add a lane to a highway, just keep creating more demand. What do I know though. Never too late to change course FYI.

Halsam is going to county and state for assistance because he knows. I think BrookPark does more than you think because they need something like this after much of the Ford plant shuttered.

Is that what it's supposed to be?

Well, it is true. Factories are known for their beauty.

Can't they just do like the Jake did and make the lights evoke smokestacks?

That's what it looks like to me, at least in this fuzzy one example- looks like the angled roofs of old factories that had the windows to light the factory floor. It appears to me to match the Ford factory still in place just north.

I really like the Green Bay method of funding the team: sell shares of the team to private citizens. Would you pay $100 to own part of the Browns, with a vote? That's how I'd fund the new stadium, whether Lakefront or Brook Park.

NFL kiboshed the stock option many years ago, they won't allow an ownership model like that again. An NFL owner who would try this would be viewed like a player fixing games he is betting on, it would send the owners into nuclear mode.

 

[jmilo]

Not sure, but in the 1800s there was a war over Toledo that ended with Ohio getting Toledo and the port on lake Erie and Michigan getting the Upper Peninsula. I have been to Toledo, Michigan won that battle especially since the UP has so many natural resources that has financially helped Michigan.

FYI, that is the beginning of the Ohio vs Michigan battle, didnt start with the colleges.

The Little Known Cleveland Battle That Pitted Eastsiders And Westsiders Against Each Other

Clevelanders love to celebrate their local history, but it maintains a secret darker side. There was once a time when its West and East sides shared a rivalry that was anything but playful.

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[Lee]

The Little Known Cleveland Battle That Pitted Eastsiders And Westsiders Against Each Other

Clevelanders love to celebrate their local history, but it maintains a secret darker side. There was once a time when its West and East sides shared a rivalry that was anything but playful.

www.onlyinyourstate.com

I know the first auto accident in Ohio happened in Cleveland when the only 2 automobiles in the entire state of Ohio collided with eachother.

Now that is so Cleveland, lol

 

[southernflyer]

Not sure, but in the 1800s there was a war over Toledo that ended with Ohio getting Toledo and the port on lake Erie and Michigan getting the Upper Peninsula. I have been to Toledo, Michigan won that battle especially since the UP has so many natural resources that has financially helped Michigan.

FYI, that is the beginning of the Ohio vs Michigan battle, didnt start with the colleges.

There are a couple of really good videos on YouTube about the Toledo War. Having 22 year old territorial governor, a guy named Two Stickney and president Andrew Jackson involved is pretty remarkable. Even growing up in NE Ohio we were never taught it.

 

[southernflyer]

I know the first auto accident in Ohio happened in Cleveland when the only 2 automobiles in the entire state of Ohio collided with eachother.

Now that is so Cleveland, lol

Were two women driving? I kid.

 

[Lee]

There are a couple of really good videos on YouTube about the Toledo War. Having 22 year old territorial governor, a guy named Two Stickney and president Andrew Jackson involved is pretty remarkable. Even growing up in NE Ohio we were never taught it.

I havent seen the video, is it true that the Toledo War battle cry was MUCK FICHIGAN?

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Yay to continuing the car culture and sprawl. If anyone doesn’t think this is going to be a nightmare getting in and out then I don’t know what to tell you. Not to mention Haslam charging an ass ton for shitty surface parking. Also, how does getting into the stadium from the airport, then catching a plane after will help the local economy?

Maybe I’m missing something here, but isn’t the airport part of the local economy? If people are flying in to attend games that normally wouldn’t due to ease of access, that’s people spending money in the local economy, both inside the airport and at the stadium. Pretty simple concept.

 

[BMAN]

Cleveland should adopt the Columbus policy of annexing local cities.

Now we’re seeing eye to eye.

 

[BMAN]

Maybe I’m missing something here, but isn’t the airport part of the local economy? If people are flying in to attend games that normally wouldn’t due to ease of access, that’s people spending money in the local economy, both inside the airport and at the stadium. Pretty simple concept.

Hotels and other amenities suffer though. That plan doesn’t maximize energizing the economy.

 

[BMAN]

Your point has validity. I live in Phoenix...an enormous Urban sprawl and hate driving over 20 minutes which limits me to Phoenix, Westgate (Cardinals stadium) and Scottsdale. his means the entire east valley (Mesa, Tempe, Chandler, ect) is just not somewhere i like to go and about 2 million of the population lives there, or south phoenix (only Ahwatukee matters there, not much to do in places like Laveen) or far west like Surprise just arent places I go.

You should speak your mind, in your instance the revenue to the area that a stadium business district brings doesnt outweigh your desire to keep it in the limits. I dont agree with your point of view but I understand it......, but I dont live in the area, so your opinion has more validity than mine.

I see that you understand my points, build it and they will come, and if there was a reasonable way keeping it in Cleveland they should, I just dont see enough land available anywhere thus why Brook Park has become the best option.

For me, not getting a dome is a non starter, and if you need to move it to the surrounding area, you need to build a business district centered around the stadium. The Coliseum in Richfield was in the middle of nowhere much further than Brook Park and didnt have a business district. To me, with keeping your points in mind, I just think building by the air port is the best solution available. Fixing up a stadium without a dome is just dumb to me.

FYI for the land, the current mayor and his administration is finally taking action on long vacant and polluted industrial lands. A fund was set up to clean these up and combine empty parcels to make it attractive for the private sector.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Not sure, but in the 1800s there was a war over Toledo that ended with Ohio getting Toledo....

We must have lost.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Hotels and other amenities suffer though. That plan doesn’t maximize energizing the economy.

I think the number of people that would fly in-and-out the same day are pretty slim. I do think the proximity of the stadium to the airport would encourage people to fly in the night before, party/tailgate, stay in a hotel they can walk to from the airport, and then fly out the next day after the game.

When I lived in Chicago, it would’ve been way more appealing to take the 60 min flight from Midway and split a hotel with four friends than it would be to drive six hours and still have to figure out housing.

I think the appeal of flying in-and-out same day would be more for conventions and things of that nature where people can’t be gone for multiple days for work or whatever reason.

 

[inliner311]

Your point has validity. I live in Phoenix...an enormous Urban sprawl and hate driving over 20 minutes which limits me to Phoenix, Westgate (Cardinals stadium) and Scottsdale. his means the entire east valley (Mesa, Tempe, Chandler, ect) is just not somewhere i like to go and about 2 million of the population lives there, or south phoenix (only Ahwatukee matters there, not much to do in places like Laveen) or far west like Surprise just arent places I go.

You should speak your mind, in your instance the revenue to the area that a stadium business district brings doesnt outweigh your desire to keep it in the limits. I dont agree with your point of view but I understand it......, but I dont live in the area, so your opinion has more validity than mine.

I see that you understand my points, build it and they will come, and if there was a reasonable way keeping it in Cleveland they should, I just dont see enough land available anywhere thus why Brook Park has become the best option.

For me, not getting a dome is a non starter, and if you need to move it to the surrounding area, you need to build a business district centered around the stadium. The Coliseum in Richfield was in the middle of nowhere much further than Brook Park and didnt have a business district. To me, with keeping your points in mind, I just think building by the air port is the best solution available. Fixing up a stadium without a dome is just dumb to me.

I'm just not entirely sure that if you built it they will come. Like people will come for football games but making a entertainment district is usually complicated. Places can go from a good scene to a no one showing up a month later in Cleveland.

It took like 5+ years for west 25th to find the right combination of bars for people to actually want to go there. Brookpark doesn't have the young adults population that a lot of scenes have to develop around.

If it just becomes an area that is chain restaurants and some retail shopping, I'm not sure it's going to be that money maker. I'm also not sure who will actually want to live in this entertainment complex. Its so close to the airport and nothing else around it.

Even in downtown in the gateway district, people don't go over there outside of guardians games and when there is nice weather for Cavs game.