Building the right way?

[David.]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

im rooting for our young guys. I want the team to lose in close ones, every game.

heres what I've been thinking: tanking is easier said than done. These guys frankly don't care as much about the team drafting a potential replacement for them as much as they do putting up stats, competing and earning money. Go tell them to lose games on purpose and see the lack of response, imo.

 

[KI4MVP]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

i never said the team isn't playing better defense. i was simply pointing out that it's a small sample size, they haven't played any good offensive teams, and 29th -> 11th is way, way too big a jump for it to be at all indicative of the true quality of the defense

yes, I know the sample size is small - it's the only sample we have, though. I wanted to generate some talk about the improved defense in the "rooting for our team this year" thread.

 

[Jon]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

You know before the twin 60-game seasons a road win was no certain thing for the Cavs. We lost plenty of them to sub-.500 teams and a blow-out win on the road was a rare treat. So a close loss on the road to the Pacers, and a couple of blows outs is actually an accomplishment.

There appear to be a lot of bad teams in the East...

According to http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/projections/standings/

When strength of schedule is taken in to account, we're on our way to 25.7 wins with a 20% chance to make the playoffs.

The teams worse than us are: New Jersey, Detroit, Charlotte, and Washington. We would need to surpass Toronto, Milwaukee, and Indiana.

Seems about right to me.

 

[Triumph36]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

i think the nets could end up with more wins depending on lopez and how well he recovers. if they pull off a howard trade, obviously they will end up with more wins.

saying the pistons are "worse" is also a little misleading. that projection has the cavs with 25.9 and detroit with 25.3 so it wouldn't exactly take all that much for them to swap spots.

and most importantly, that is simply some random sites projections (which, btw, is only in the beta release). grizz only have a 50% chance of making the playoffs? clippers only 50%? knicks barely above 50%? 76ers at 94.5%? ya ok. extrapolating based on ~half a dozen games for each team is silly. especially considering how this isn't a traditional season and instead had a shortened camp and condensed schedule.

 

[Jon]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

Not only would Lopez have to become healthy, he'd have to turn the corner in to becoming an asset by actually rebounding and protecting the rim. If Orlando was to send them Howard, then the fortunes of the two franchise would swap.

Anyway, certainly lots of things can happen between now and the end of the season. Maybe the Knicks figure out how to play together and do better than the .500 record they put up after trading for Melo? Maybe Detroit makes some sense of that mess they call a roster? And maybe the Cavaliers keep improving their play on a nearly day by day basis? Lots of stuff can happen.

It's just a projection, but the reason I dug it up is because it's based on strength of schedule and that takes in to account the fact we've been playing weak teams - and even so, we're still not far from competing for the playoffs.

btw, try to say something positive about the team. That's what this thread is for.

 

[Triumph36]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

no, apparently this thread is for a bunch of extreme homerism with no true objectivity allowed.

it's based on strength of schedule....which is based on how teams have done in roughly half a dozen games! that's absolutely not enough of a sample size to pinpoint a certain teams sos and % of making the playoffs, winning the title, etc.

you pointed out an extremely flawed projection that just so happened to show the cavs in a relatively favorable light. i simply pointed out those flaws.

 

[Soda]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

I'm with the OP. After the year the Browns had, I'm just happy to be able to watch Kyrie and Tristan work with the team in some kind of productive manner. See you at whichever draft spot I see you.

 

[Cavatt]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

I don't need a larger sample size to see the defense is improved. The team has bought in and they look a lot better.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

no, apparently this thread is for a bunch of extreme homerism with no true objectivity allowed.

it's based on strength of schedule....which is based on how teams have done in roughly half a dozen games! that's absolutely not enough of a sample size to pinpoint a certain teams sos and % of making the playoffs, winning the title, etc.

you pointed out an extremely flawed projection that just so happened to show the cavs in a relatively favorable light. i simply pointed out those flaws.

Most people in this thread believe the Cavs are still likely to be a lottery team with a high draft pick, with a chance of being better than that based on improved defense, continued development of our younger players, and the extremely unpredictable nature of shortened seasons with crazy schedules. Most people are also excited about finally having quality young players to watch develop.

Now get that stick out of your ass and quit interpreting any positive post as people saying we're playoff bound or that TT will be a star.

 

[JAY1977]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

Rebuild is looking farther along than most of us projected and we are all pleasently surprised by TT and Irving adapting to the NBA game at such a quick pace. Regardless of the win/ loss standings at the end of the year the team has hope again for the near future.

 

[Jon]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

Now get that stick out of your ass and quit interpreting any positive post as people saying we're playoff bound or that TT will be a star.

And you know what? If someone wants to insist exactly that IN THIS THREAD, they should still be left alone to do so.

I can still remember the Scout.com'ers calling me a blind optimist, pollyana, and every other name they could think of when they were running polls about how many days until Mike Brown was fired or how high our losing streak would go, while I insisted Mike wasn't going anywhere, that sometimes a team had to hit rock bottom before it could be righted, and that in fact the team was starting to turn things around and was a legit contender.

Of course that was the season the Cavs went to the finals. lol

 

[Jon]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

no, apparently this thread is for a bunch of extreme homerism with no true objectivity allowed.

it's based on strength of schedule....which is based on how teams have done in roughly half a dozen games! that's absolutely not enough of a sample size to pinpoint a certain teams sos and % of making the playoffs, winning the title, etc.

you pointed out an extremely flawed projection that just so happened to show the cavs in a relatively favorable light. i simply pointed out those flaws.

By flawed I believe you mean that it has insufficient data to offer a high confidence level?

The numbers are indeed not flawed, they show exactly what they're meant to show and take in to account team performance and opponent performance in an objective manner.

If you don't want to hear any of it and prefer to think our 2-2 start is just an illusion, that's fine ... just take it to another thread because complaining and insulting is not contributing to the discussion.

 

[Obawan12]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

Now get that stick out of your ass and quit interpreting any positive post as people saying we're playoff bound or that TT will be a star.

He's not "interpreting" either of those things; multiple posters are just saying them outright.

 

[KI4MVP]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

5 games into the season, the Sagarin computer rankings, which factor in things such as strength of schedule, have us ranked 15th in the league.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nba1112.htm

The season is early, the sample sizes are small, and lots can change, but this should be a decent measure of how well we've played thus far.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Re: Rooting for our team this year

I'd love for us to be slotted 7, and wind up in the top 3. I still say we end up picking #5. That will leave us one of the following: Lamb, Drummond, Davis, MKG, or Barnes.