Cavs Actively Shopping Everyone

[Zen]

To me this is the opposite of good.

We spent the last few years saying how much we loved that Chris Grant was setting the team up for the future, maintaining flexibility, collecting assets, etc. Understanding that it is a slow process and that we want to build a team that can compete for a long time, not just be a flash in the pan after which we have no assets to speak of.

Now all of a sudden we are sick of that plan and praising Griffin for doing the opposite?

Maybe I'm extrapolating, but "going all in" and getting rid of a ton of future assets is a terrible idea for a team that has a bunch of young promising talent and the #1 draft pick.

I understand that we didn't collect all those assets just to sit on them indefinitely, but I'd rather build a team that can compete for close to a decade rather than going all in for a year or three.

I guess in today's NBA though, contenders are made by going "all-in", like the Celtics and Heat did. Hopefully SA and OKC prove that wrong.

When you luck into the #1 draft in this stacked year it accelerates the process naturally.

 

[wremy]

Kyrie and Embiid would be a hell of a combo... also Kyrie in an actual uptempo offense would be great... people wanting to trade Kyrie are dumb.. won't happen and why in the hell would you trade Kyrie for Love when we have so many other assets to actually put them together as a duo?... there pick and roll game would be excellent

 

[TheLand1287]

To me this is the opposite of good.

We spent the last few years saying how much we loved that Chris Grant was setting the team up for the future, maintaining flexibility, collecting assets, etc. Understanding that it is a slow process and that we want to build a team that can compete for a long time, not just be a flash in the pan after which we have no assets to speak of.

Now all of a sudden we are sick of that plan and praising Griffin for doing the opposite?

Maybe I'm extrapolating, but "going all in" and getting rid of a ton of future assets is a terrible idea for a team that has a bunch of young promising talent and the #1 draft pick.

I understand that we didn't collect all those assets just to sit on them indefinitely, but I'd rather build a team that can compete for close to a decade rather than going all in for a year or three.

I guess in today's NBA though, contenders are made by going "all-in", like the Celtics and Heat did. Hopefully SA and OKC prove that wrong.

Another thing to look at is the Celtics and Heat are premier FA destination markets that make going "all in" much easier. Teams like OKC, SA, and potentially the Cavs don't really have that luxury, thus forcing to build thru the draft with young players and quality coaching.

 

[The Process God]

Honestly, I'm cool with this as long as we don't sell low on players. I don't see how we don't do that with Kyrie. He had a down year last season, and, with a guy like Embiid on the team, I expect him to look stupid good.

 

[Frank Stallone]

"Would you like to try that a little simpler, maybe?"

"...no."

 

[theSTEREO.]

Exactly what I've been thinking, if Embiid is what we think he might be, you want the franchise player contract open in 4 years

Also not sure why...but Kyrie to Orlando smells promising to me

I don't even know where you start there. Say what you will about Kyrie's uneven 13-14 season, he's still a top-25 and potential top-10 player.

I want nothing to do with Oladipo.

Maybe a package of Vucevic, Afflalo, a future 1st and #4 (and take Wiggins/Parker/Exum)

Honestly, I'm cool with this as long as we don't sell low on players. I don't see how we don't do that with Kyrie. He had a down year last season, and, with a guy like Embiid on the team, I expect him to look stupid good.

Exactly. Even if you think he needs to go, you sign him to whatever extension he'll sign, let him run wild with Embiid and whatever other big name you can haul in, and then sell freaking high next summer.

 

[Rich]

Then you're misinterpreting what it implies.

It's not saying they want to unload people for the sake of it. It's saying they want to construct a team that can compete for multiple finals appearances starting this coming year. It would most likely end up consisting of the player we draft at #1, a few people currently on the roster, players we receive via trade for our players and assets, and FA signed this offseason.

What is the issue with that. If you're thinking of a midlevel Joe Johnson era Hawks team being assembled than your imagination is aiming way to low. Luckily Griffins is not.

He's reading the same post from Ben you are and I haven't seen Ben come in and update it, so I'm not sure how you can be positive he's misinterpreting it.

 

[Chris]

Yeah, I'm open to tradin Kyrie, but I doubt you're getting fair value on him. Keep him. He is already really good and will probably get even better. Teaming him with Embiid will be deadly. Use our other bajillion assets to put more talent around him and the #1, no point trading star players we already have if you aren't getting something even better in return.

 

[I'mWithDan]

If Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins are franchise players...might be enough to change who we build around.

I don't see how having an All-Star PG and an All-Star caliber Center is suddenly a bad thing.

The Cavs have been handed the rare opportunity to pair two potential star players together.....can we just not fuck it up for once. We spent all seven years LeBron was here failing at that very endeavor.

In some absolutely ridiculous stroke of luck we get the anti venom after the Ghris Grant snake bite and we're now possibly exploring trades for everyone on our roster?!

There is next to no trade where you move a 22 year old All-Star and get something that, over the life of both players' careers, is going to be any type of even value.

This isn't that hard to not fuck up.

 

[Tampa Zack]

No one should ever be safe unless its a mega star like LeBron & KD and soon to be Anthony Davis.

I think only players that would be hard to give up unless for a major upgrade would be Kyrie, #1 pick this year (hopefully Emiib), and Anthony Bennett (why sell low)

 

[mhi]

From what I'm hearing I don't expect the Cavs to come away this off-season with any future assets or cap space. They are going all in. The team they build will be the team they think has a chance to win it all in a few years.

This part, I DON'T LIKE.

Everything else, YES, purge all of CHRIS GRANT's mistakes.

 

[Green Lantern]

Isn't going all in what Chris Grant intended to do with these pieces all along? We're not excited about Griffin doing the opposite. We are excited about him finally taking our stored assets and making them liquid. There was never a chance that all five of Irving, Thompson, Waiters, Zeller and Bennett were gonna be on this team two years from now. Zero.

And just because he's saying everyone is available doesn't mean that everyone is being traded. Just that there's no combination that won't be considered. Maybe there's a big player to be had by trading Dion and keeping Kyrie, and maybe there's a big player to be had by trading Kyrie and keeping Dion. But just because one happens doesn't mean the other is gonna happen.

A few teams that went all in and are continuing to go all in in recent years are the Celtics, the Heat, the Clippers, the Lakers (which failed, but the idea was right), the Rockets, etc etc. These are teams that stockpiled assets for years and years and years and sucked for years and years, except maybe the Lakers, until they pulled the trigger and now play late into May and June.

Count me in as someone who has wanted that for a long time now.

Edit: MirORich, stop posting exactly what I'm thinking 30 seconds before I type it all the time. :chuckles:

This team will never compete as it's constructed. It has to be modified and upgraded. There have been a lot of people thinking the Cavs can move forward with the parts it currently has.The sum of the parts don't fit, and in reality some of these guys are backups on solid teams.

That is not the case. Time to stop stockpiling and put together a championship team.
Now along the way there may be some added picks to come as with any trade, the bulk of that has been done.

 

[Silky Smooth]

I don't think Kyrie gets dealt unless it involves a pick in the top 5 of this draft. Ultimately I don't see it happening.

 

[MirORich]

He's reading the same post from Ben you are and I haven't seen Ben come in and update it, so I'm not sure how you can be positive he's misinterpreting it.

All you have to do is put together everything you know about Gilbert, Griffin, and what they believe about their assets and what they should shoot for.

They will consider all moves that make them an instant top 4-6 NBA team that can compete for multiple years for a championship. I don't think there is any way to interpret it but that.

 

[nikolajz1]

When you have someone like Embiid on the inside you need to surround him with 3 point shooters. A guy like Klay Thomspon would be the perfect fit for the system. I'd be willing the trade Waiters, Thompson, and draft picks for him.