Cavs Eye Jamison (SI trade article)

[Phills14]

I can't knock on you too much Godfather because you're 100% right when you said it's a big leap for JJ to start next year. Unless there is some catastrophic injury(ies), JJ Hickson will not be the Cavs starting PF next season.

 

[mixman]

I don't like Jamison for a lot of reasons. I really don't care about getting him. If that was all that was there, of course I'd trade him just for Wally. Jamison is better.

Jamison has a lot of nagging injuries. He could easily be the new Larry Hughes. At least health wise. He has bad knees, I believe?

This guy might even make Drew Gooden look good on defense. Saying he's bad on defense is being kind. I also don't like that he can't play the 2 guard position, which we'd be forced to play him a lot at the 4, which would not boat well for us.

Forget Jamison, he'd really not help much at all. He'd give a little more scoring on the perimeter, we don't really need that.

He'd just be a lateral move, really. No one can honestly convince me, Jamison is what is keeping us from a title. Really, if you break it all down. Wally can pretty much give you what Jamison does, to a lesser degree certainly. But everything Jamison can do outside rebounding, is basically what Wally can do.

Shooting is not something we lack, so it's a moot point. The only real plus he'd bring is depth, over Wally. If someone went out with a serious injury, Jamison is a better bet than Wally, obviously. That's probably the only reason I would do the deal. But with everyone healthy, it's really not that much of a difference.

You've got to be kidding if you just compared AJ to Drew and Laura. AJ has played in 70 or more games in 7 of his last 8 seasons. His defense might average but you can't say its as bad as Mr. Space Cadet Drew Gooden. Oh, and did I mention he averages 21 and 9 at 32 years old? Drew or Laura could never touch that any time in there careers, let alone at 32. Plus, his style allows for him to be competent for a few more years.

Matchup wise, while he's not like a Caron Butler where he can play the 2, Jamison still has a little something left that he can play the 3, we could then shift Bron to the 2, Jamison to the 3, ben/AV at 4 with Z/AV at 5. That's a pretty sick bigs lineup. If you want to go small you can move AJ to the 5 and have bron play the 4. There's plenty of flexibility there.

We'd be giving up a player that's not even in our top 7 (when all is healthy) for a 20ppg PF, something this team just flat out doesn't have. It might not be the first option for what I'd want to do, but if this is the only opportunity that presents itself you have to take a swing.

 

[godfather]

You've got to be kidding if you just compared AJ to Drew and Laura

I've heard he's had knee problems(unless I'm mistaking him with someone else). At his age, and knee problems isn't a GOOD THING, where he could follow the Larry Hughes path health wise. I didn't compare the two's game.


Drew Gooden, yes, Antwan's defense is THAT BAD! Do you not remember some of the games where Gooden would "make it rain" on Jamison. Jamison is not a bad defender, he's a non-existent defender.

I don't know why it's so easy for people to take what someone said out of context on the internet.


Seriously, not to be a real asshole, but it's annoying.


Giving me a bunch of stats per game, is beside the point. I was comparing Drew Gooden and Jamison DEFENSIVELY. It's a pretty homer view to say Jamison's defense is so much stellar than Drew's, which is not true at all. Both are bad defensively, and when Drew was playing here. I believed his defense was in fact better. Drew played harder on that end, than Jamison. Not that it says a lot, because both are pretty bad defensively.


I said Jamison COULD follow the Larry Hughes path. Again, I didn't say he IS Larry Hughes. I didn't say he PLAYS like him. I didn't say he's been hurt his entire career. I said he's had some nagging injuries, like his knee? At his age, sorry, that worries me. He's no spring chicken.




I love how everyone is suddenly better than what they actually are, when there's any mention of getting him.

 

[mixman]

I've heard he's had knee problems(unless I'm mistaking him with someone else). At his age, and knee problems isn't a GOOD THING, where he could follow the Larry Hughes path health wise. I didn't compare the two's game.


Drew Gooden, yes, Antwan's defense is THAT BAD! Do you not remember some of the games where Gooden would "make it rain" on Jamison. Jamison is not a bad defender, he's a non-existent defender.

I don't know why it's so easy for people to take what someone said out of context on the internet.


Seriously, not to be a real asshole, but it's annoying.


Giving me a bunch of stats per game, is beside the point. I was comparing Drew Gooden and Jamison DEFENSIVELY. It's a pretty homer view to say Jamison's defense is so much stellar than Drew's, which is not true at all. Both are bad defensively, and when Drew was playing here. I believed his defense was in fact better. Drew played harder on that end, than Jamison. Not that it says a lot, because both are pretty bad defensively.


I said Jamison COULD follow the Larry Hughes path. Again, I didn't say he IS Larry Hughes. I didn't say he PLAYS like him. I didn't say he's been hurt his entire career. I said he's had some nagging injuries, like his knee? At his age, sorry, that worries me. He's no spring chicken.




I love how everyone is suddenly better than what they actually are, when there's any mention of getting him.

No offense was meant godfather, I just think comparisons to Drew and Hughes are baseless. He's not injury prone, as he's been playing 38 minutes per game with 70 games or more the past 3 years.

Considering it would just be giving up Wally (who may well come back) for a talent like Jamison I can't see how anyone would be against it.

 

[godfather]

No offense was meant godfather, I just think comparisons to Drew and Hughes are baseless. He's not injury prone, as he's been playing 38 minutes per game with 70 games or more the past 3 years.

Considering it would just be giving up Wally (who may well come back) for a talent like Jamison I can't see how anyone would be against it.

I'm not disagreeing there at all. I rather have Jamison, over Hughes or Gooden any day of the week. I'd even take the Wally for Jamison deal. I wouldn't cry the blues if the cavs passed. Jamison is definitely an upgrade over Wally. I just don't think Jamison clearly puts us over the top, either. The only thing I REALLY like about making a move like that. Say West went down. Jamison is clearly a better bet as insurance, than Wally.

Trust me when I say, I HATED Drew Gooden's game. He was my least favorite player in the nba.


I can understand the frustration if I'm literally putting Jamison with those two knuckle heads category overall. I'm not. He's definitely a much better player than both of them.

 

[Phills14]

I'm not trying to take things out of context but when you say Jamison has nagging injuries and he could be the new larry hughes I take it to mean that due to injuries he's going to miss a decent amount of time. The fact is, he doesn't miss time. He may have nagging injuries, I don't know, but it doesn't stop him from playing. As far as the knee thing, I can't say anything about it becuase I've never heard it. He may have a knee problem he may not, but he's never had a catastrophic injury that's caused him to miss major time.

You're pretty accurate when you say he's not a defensive player. He's not going to be mentioned on any all nba defensive teams thats for sure.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=385
Just for more perspective, this is John Hollinger's take on Jamison going into this year...
Jamison has never been much of a defensive player, but like Butler he seemed to put in a bit more effort last season. He lacks the physicality to stop good power forwards from scoring, and he's not much of a presence off the ball.

Finally, he adds a couple intangibles. First, he's one of the league's most durable players, playing 79 games and averaging 38.8 minutes a contest last year. In the past eight seasons he's missed only 29 contests. Second, he's become something of the locker room sage in Washington, helping show some of the younger players the ropes and keep their development on track.

2008-09 outlook: Washington gave Jamison a four-year, $50 million extension just before free agency began, which, believe it or not, was a pay cut for him. While there's a certain amount of risk in signing a player of his age to an expensive long-term deal, Jamison seems as reasonable a risk as anyone in this category. His game has held up very well the past few years, he never gets hurt, and his style of play would seem to age well since it's based more on guile and polish than explosiveness.

 

[Zack]

For whoever said there is no way hickson is starting PF next year all i have to say is get off the drugs. If we dont pick up a PF this deadline or offseason I'd say its a 80% shot Hickson starts next year. Ben isnt getting any younger and with another offseason Hickson should be better then Andy if andy is even with the cavs.

 

[godfather]

Phills, what I meant is, I believe he's had some knee problems. I heard about this during their playoffs against us last year. My problem is when you add his age, and knee problems. You have to consider it could very badly for him in the next few years. That's all I meant, when saying he could take the Larry Hughes route health wise. I could be wrong, I'm not saying for sure he can.


It's just a possible concern, is all I really meant by it.

 

[Phills14]

Phills, what I meant is, I believe he's had some knee problems. I heard about this during their playoffs against us last year. My problem is when you add his age, and knee problems. You have to consider it could very badly for him in the next few years. That's all I meant, when saying he could take the Larry Hughes route health wise. I could be wrong, I'm not saying for sure he can.


It's just a possible concern, is all I really meant by it.

Gotcha man. No worries. I can understand the concern. I look at it another way, yes he's up there and of the age where his body can break down but he's been remarkably durable throughout his career so the odds of injury are less likely in his case in my opinion.

 

[godfather]

For whoever said there is no way hickson is starting PF next year all i have to say is get off the drugs. If we dont pick up a PF this deadline or offseason I'd say its a 80% shot Hickson starts next year. Ben isnt getting any younger and with another offseason Hickson should be better then Andy if andy is even with the cavs.

Oh Zacky boy, now how do you figure that? You realize right now that Hickson is NOT even in the rotation, yet I'm on drugs for suggesting it's not very REALISTIC to expect him to start next year?


Ohhhh brother, where do I begin. How about I don't.


Yeah, you're right, Hickson should be such a better position defender than Andy, weak side defender, help defender, and have his footwork defensively down pat. Yeah, when you consider Av is one of the best in the nba at all of that, Hickson should pick that all up over night, and have Andy beat by a landslide come next season.

 

[bosoxpapi61]

The way they were talking about it on Around the Horn sounded like they thought it was going to happen. 3 out of 4 thought it would benefit Cleveland

 

[castor777]

The only reason why I think they want or expect it to happen was because it was a scenario they threw out there a few days ago (think Marc Stein or Hollinger), and then it suddenly came to life yesterday. It'd make them look good if it went down as it was the first and only mention of Antwan Jamison coming to Cleveland that I heard of at all.

I'm still not against Jamison at all really, but I think it's got to be the ultimate last resort just because of his contract. They will trade Wally if it makes our team better, and getting Jamison does in fact do that - but I can't see Ferry doing it with how bad it'd hurt our salary for years to come.

It's that first round pick man, if there was any way at all to get it from them this move would be our top priority. But otherwise, you got to be Camby all the way at this point.

 

[En_Fhan]

This may have been discussed already, but I really do not like this article.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57344/20090218/wizards_wont_trade_jamison_butler/


Anyone think this is just a smoke screen? I mean the Wizards are going nowhere, if they stay intact they probably cannot even pay for their draft pick next year. I can't see how Washington would not jump at a Wally & JJ for Antawn and Thomas.

now we're including JJ to this trade for old azz jamison..

 

[KIisKing]

The Wizards are so dumb.They have an opportunity to trade a horrible or horrible contract for a 13 million dollar expiring and they refuse to. I could be a smoke screen but its the Wizards I doubt it. They are obliviously retarded.

 

[Lee]

Dont shoot me for saying this buy i would think about including av for jamison, but not JJ. AV might be gone next year, and I think we have seen his ceiling. I am not convinced that if jamison starts, Ben couldnt bring exactly what AV brought off the bench plus our offense would be butter with Jamison. That said, I am not sold on aquiring Jamison, and not sure including useful pieces or having to rely on wright or hickson in the playoffs is the best idea.