Cavs Eye Jamison (SI trade article)

[tedginnjr]

See if we did get Jamison, it would kill me to see us pay him that much as a sixth man, but I dont think the Wizards are going to do anything

If we get Jamison, he'd probably come off the bench, but it doesn't really matter because you can guarantee he'd be getting his 30 minutes a game minimum. And you can also guarantee that he'd slide into the starting spot next year. Whether he starts or doesn't start, he's going to be finishing games so it's really not important.

 

[godfather]

JJ should be fine to start next year, and you have to realize we still have this summer, in which Ben's contract will be a very attractive piece for teams to make trades. Chilll.

How in the hell is JJ going to be able to start next year? He's not even ready to crack the rotation, yet we should honestly expect him to start by next season? That's a pretty big leap. I just hope he at least can play in the rotation next year. If he can't, then I'm worried about what we have with him.

 

[Backstage]

I don't even really want Jamison, never did. I was only for that if that pick was coming too. It seems that was just smoke being blown, because they don't seem interested in moving anything(for some stupid reason).

It seems right now it will be Camby, or nothing. For someone odd reason, I'm not THAT excited about Camby anymore. Mainly because I don't have a lot of expectations in getting him. Also if we do, I think the Clippers will try to suck as much out of Ferry as possible. So basically I don't think it's going to happen.


Hopefully some other deal, or player comes up with that we can get. Still a chance, I think. Not giving up yet, but it's not looking good so far it seems.

I think the whole Amar'e situation really did a lot to our emotions and expectations. With all that died down, there's really no deal out there to get us as riled as we were, so that may be part of it.

Honestly, we may not get Camby, but I can only wonder how these GMs, with a luxury tax coming and so much room they need to clear, cannot be as desperate for a contract like Wally's as we'd expect. The guy is walking money who, if they don't want to waive him, could knock down some outside shots off the bench for them if they need it. He's no superstar, but he is free money.

 

[castor777]

See if we did get Jamison, it would kill me to see us pay him that much as a sixth man, but I dont think the Wizards are going to do anything

Well, our current PF is making a lot more money than him right now, hehe. No, I think Jamison is a great talent and has every reason to be a starter - but just because of what Mike Brown has established, he'd likely be coming off the bench this season. Next year, I think you mix it up for certain - but I don't see any problem having Jamison as the 6th man and being the go to player off the bench - he's a smart player and would be stack up insanely well against another teams bench players.

 

[cschneider27]

good call

 

[tedginnjr]

How in the hell is JJ going to be able to start next year? He's not even ready to crack the rotation, yet we should honestly expect him to start by next season? That's a pretty big leap. I just hope he at least can play in the rotation next year. If he can't, then I'm worried about what we have with him.

I'm guessing, with no trades, JJ is going to take a lot of Ben's minutes and average somewhere around 10 and 6 next year.

 

[godfather]

I don't like Jamison for a lot of reasons. I really don't care about getting him. If that was all that was there, of course I'd trade him just for Wally. Jamison is better.

Jamison has a lot of nagging injuries. He could easily be the new Larry Hughes. At least health wise. He has bad knees, I believe?

This guy might even make Drew Gooden look good on defense. Saying he's bad on defense is being kind. I also don't like that he can't play the 2 guard position, which we'd be forced to play him a lot at the 4, which would not boat well for us.

Forget Jamison, he'd really not help much at all. He'd give a little more scoring on the perimeter, we don't really need that.

He'd just be a lateral move, really. No one can honestly convince me, Jamison is what is keeping us from a title. Really, if you break it all down. Wally can pretty much give you what Jamison does, to a lesser degree certainly. But everything Jamison can do outside rebounding, is basically what Wally can do.

Shooting is not something we lack, so it's a moot point. The only real plus he'd bring is depth, over Wally. If someone went out with a serious injury, Jamison is a better bet than Wally, obviously. That's probably the only reason I would do the deal. But with everyone healthy, it's really not that much of a difference.

 

[castor777]

I'm guessing, with no trades, JJ is going to take a lot of Ben's minutes and average somewhere around 10 and 6 next year.

Godfather is certainly right in saying there's no way JJ would start next year - but I think you're right on with his averages next year. He's going to grow a lot in the next year, truthfully he already has. Some of us (like godfather) expected him to be in the D-league most of this year and instead he's making whatever impact he's had with the minutes Brown has given him. It's easy to point at games like the Lakers where he looked like utter crap, but it was a learning experience from him and I don't see that occurring again next year. I'm excited to see how the kid grows, but I'm certain he won't be a starter anytime soon.

 

[sjeppe]

jamison makes us have 5 players on the floor ,without going small, that the other team actually has guard every player instead of playing off wallace or AV, thats worth it right there for me.

 

[castor777]

I think the whole Amar'e situation really did a lot to our emotions and expectations. With all that died down, there's really no deal out there to get us as riled as we were, so that may be part of it.

Honestly, we may not get Camby, but I can only wonder how these GMs, with a luxury tax coming and so much room they need to clear, cannot be as desperate for a contract like Wally's as we'd expect. The guy is walking money who, if they don't want to waive him, could knock down some outside shots off the bench for them if they need it. He's no superstar, but he is free money.

I think seeing the game tonight will get our emotions back in check. We aren't a bad team at all right now, and I'm sure we still have every intention of getting the best record possible, hopefully getting at least the #1 seed in the East. That would help us out quite a bit since, last I checked, we're an okay team at home :chuckles:

But seriously, Wally has been playing very well for us as of late. No matter how much I'd like to see a better player in his spot, I can't be incredibly mad if we continue to play at the caliber we have so far this season.

 

[godfather]

I think JJ should be ready to contribute meaningful minutes next year. If he can't, I won't say it's official, but I'd start thinking bust.

JJ should be a 20 minute guy next year. This off-season will allow him to really grow into a better skilled player, added the nba experience and what he needs to do to adjust to.

I've projected 3 years, is when JJ should be ready to start. These things are never exact science, though. For all I know, he could just be a Maxiel kind of player, who brings a nice spark off the bench. All-star talent, or starter has never been set in stone. Although I do think JJ has that kind of talent.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Originally Posted by Northstar
SAS (so take it for what it's worth) just said the Cavs are definitely looking to make a move.

The Cavs? Looking to make a move????

Shocking

That is some top-notch reporting, just give the man the Pulitzer right now!

I guess it's better than him saying we are definitely not going to make a move...

 

[AvonCavsFan]

i have a bad feeling about 'Twan. I'll be excited about it right now, and probably for the rest of the year, but you just have to know thats a contract that we're gonna be trying to get off of our hands for the next few years.

You guys do know we are paying Ben Wallace 14 mil to average 3 pts and 6 rebounds a game, right?

There is no way Jamison will do that little in 3 years.....

 

[Phills14]

I don't like Jamison for a lot of reasons. I really don't care about getting him. If that was all that was there, of course I'd trade him just for Wally. Jamison is better.

Jamison has a lot of nagging injuries. He could easily be the new Larry Hughes. At least health wise. He has bad knees, I believe?

This guy might even make Drew Gooden look good on defense. Saying he's bad on defense is being kind. I also don't like that he can't play the 2 guard position, which we'd be forced to play him a lot at the 4, which would not boat well for us.

Forget Jamison, he'd really not help much at all. He'd give a little more scoring on the perimeter, we don't really need that.

He'd just be a lateral move, really. No one can honestly convince me, Jamison is what is keeping us from a title. Really, if you break it all down. Wally can pretty much give you what Jamison does, to a lesser degree certainly. But everything Jamison can do outside rebounding, is basically what Wally can do.

Shooting is not something we lack, so it's a moot point. The only real plus he'd bring is depth, over Wally. If someone went out with a serious injury, Jamison is a better bet than Wally, obviously. That's probably the only reason I would do the deal. But with everyone healthy, it's really not that much of a difference.

Nagging injuries? Really? He's been in the league 11 years now, 5 seasons of 82 games and this year he's played 54 of a possible 54. So he's on his way to 6 years of complete seasons. Last year he played 79 of 82. In fact if you take his 1st year out which he missed half of the season (10 years ago mind you) he's played in 95% of his teams games. I'd hardly put him in the same category as that candy a--, Larry Hughes.

Clearly he's not a SG, he's never been a sg. But guess who you have on the roster? LEBRON JAMES. James is a superstar at 4 positions on the floor. You already have a starting 2 in Delonte West so if you need backup SG minutes, slide Lebron down and move Jamison to the 3. Not too difficult there.

I really have nothing else to add to this, just was annoyed when he was classified as injury prone so I had to say something.

 

[godfather]

You guys do know we are paying Ben Wallace 14 mil to average 3 pts and 6 rebounds a game, right?

There is no way Jamison will do that little in 3 years.....

Although, those stats are pathetic.

Usually(not lately, I will agree) Ben definitely provides a lot more than what will show up in the stat sheet.


I'm not trying to say that justifies his salary in any way, but he's not literally just worth the numbers you pointed out.