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Nathan S said:
Colson projects pretty well statistically (mild negative on offense, mild positive on defense)...if I use his junior year stats. Mathias projects to be a mild positive on offense and a pretty big negative on defense, which is not surprising, but hopefully he can outperform there. Similar defensive projection to Delly, for what it's worth.
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he was on the big 10 all defense team 2 years in a row, why is everyone saying he is horrible on defense
 
stowfan said:
IIRC, at the pre-draft combine (work outs) Crowder only measured at 6'4"
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Not sure why we're talking about Crowder, but can confirm he measured 6'4.75" in socks, 6'6.5" in shoes at the combine, so he's a legit 6'6". Pretty terrible standing reach, wingspan, and athleticism measurements though. Doesn't seem like a similar frame to Colson.

avs2000 said:
he was on the big 10 all defense team 2 years in a row, why is everyone saying he is horrible on defense
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I'm talking about purely statistical (box score) projections. The picture definitely gets better for him once you include more information.
 
I watch a lot of ND Bonzi can play. Plays bigger than his size. has no problems getting shot off inside and has a pretty good mid-range game
Had a ankle issue, broke the same one twice. Think he came back to early.
If that is no longer a issue I bet he makes the team and plays in Canton to get experience
 
Mr. MacPhisto said:
He dealt with foot injuries this past year and those are a concern - that's the reason why he didn't get drafted.

HE shot 43.3% from 3 during his junior year and fell off - likely due to the foot problems. Can those be corrected? What is the long term prognosis? Those are valid questions.

He's a good free throw shooter, so the shot is correctable and may have been off due to the foot issues. Is he past them? He's another gritty, tough player that fights hard. He averaged 2.8 BPG per 40 this past season.

He has often been compared to PJ Tucker - and Tucker was a 2nd round pick. Colson likely would have been picked there if not for the foot issues that plagued his season. If that is behind him, could be another guy that could be signed on the back end of the bench and sent to Canton or given a 2-way contract.

Both Colson and Mathias are good candidates for developmental 2-way players or guys that they can sign on minimum deals for two years that could end up being role players. Both have the potential to be good role players. Strong defense, hard working, smart players with a high basketball IQ. Sensing a pattern here.

Have to wonder if JR Smith is gonzo and if the work Lue wants to put in with Clarkson is a check on his basketball smarts. Guy has the athleticism and skill to be a solid roleplayer - but where's his head?

Zizic and Cedi are also hard workers. Looking forward to Summer League.
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Curious as to your funny response earlier to my question of dad and coaching him ... It is a great family ..hope your projection is true .. still curious as to the dad statement role
 
Former Purdue guard Dakota Mathias excited about his fit with Cleveland Cavaliers

The 6-4 shooting guard signed an Exhibit 10 contract, which contains partially guaranteed financial terms.

NATHAN BAIRD | LAFAYETTE JOURNAL & COURIER

Updated 5:08 p.m. EDT June 22, 2018
  • Mathias averaged 12.0 points, 4.1 rebounds and 3.9 assists as a senior.
  • His 41.9 percent career 3-point percentage ranks fifth in Purdue history.
WEST LAFAYETTE — Dakota Mathias watched the final picks of Thursday's NBA Draft with a certain level of comfort.

Through his performances on the workout circuit in previous weeks, the former Purdue guard had begun conversations with a handful of teams. Some offered what he and his representatives considered better fits than what might have been available from teams picking at the bottom of the second round.

Minutes after the draft concluded, Mathias jumped on an opportunity with the Cleveland Cavaliers. His Exhibit 10agreement serves as a partially guaranteed contract and provides perhaps a wider opening to at least earning a spot in the developmental G League.

"The way their roster is set up right now, something could happen this summer," Mathias said. "They need guys who can defend and shoot the ball at a high level. That's something they preached to me.

Mathias will play for Cleveland's NBA Summer League team. The structure of his agreement differs significantly from other players who received summer league invitations.

Exhibit 10 players can receive a bonus up to $50,000 if they signs with their parent organization's G League team after being waved and stay there for 60 days. Exhibit 10 deals can be converted to two-way contracts, which allow players to split time between the NBA and G League.

"It's an opportunity to make the team or possibly get a two-way contract," Mathias said. "I get to come to training camp and compete for a spot to make the team. All you want is an opportunity."

Summer League play begins July 6 in Las Vegas. Mathias said he reports around the first of the month to begin practices.

Behind LeBron James, Cleveland has been one of the most consistently successful NBA franchises of the last decade. The Cavaliers are the three-time defending Eastern Conference champion.

Mathias had mentioned Cleveland's Kyle Korver as a player whose game he aspired to emulate at the next level. A few other guard/wings face free agent decisions in the offseason.

Mathias said he grew up a Cavaliers fan and attended games with his brothers. Cleveland is less than three hours' drive from his hometown.

Cleveland was not one of the seven teams who invited Mathias for an individual workout. However, the Cavaliers were one of five teams in attendance for a pro day in Chicago in which Mathias participated. He also played in the prestigious Portsmouth Invitational Tournament, an annual showcase for potential NBA talent.

Mathias did not arrive in Purdue with the same professional expectations as classmates Vincent Edwards and Isaac Haas. Instead, he built them with his improvement over the next four years.

The 6-4, 200-pound Mathias was a three-year starter who set Boilermaker career records for games played (141) and 3-pointers made (250).

He arrived at Purdue known more for his 3-point shooting and offensive IQ. Over the course of his career he developed into the team's best perimeter defender and a two-time Big Ten All-Defensive Team selection.

As a result, he'll join Edwards (Houston Rockets) and Haas (Utah Jazz) on summer league rosters next month.

"It shows four-year guys are still valuable," Mathias said. "I think the teams that went with us or picked us saw the value what Purdue guys can bring."

https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2018/06/22/purdues-dakota-mathias-lands-partially-guaranteed-deal-cleveland/724888002/
 
stowfan said:
Seriously, why do you say that?
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First of of all, the measurements are different. While Crowder is 6'5/6'6 with a 6'9 wingspan and a 8'3 standing reach; a standing reach of a shooting guard.
Colson is 6'5/6'6 with a 7'1/7'2 wingspan and bigger standing reach(unrecorded, though he plays much bigger, so it's adequate)

The similarity starts and ends with their height and grit that the play with.

Colson is an elite high volume dominant post up player and an excellent Roll Man. He plays big and he plays inside-out or inside-in. His game revolves in the post, rolling and attacking the rim and the offensive glass. His post game consists of fade aways and jumpers mostly and some running hooks. Issue with Colson is his weak lower body imo...it doesn't enable him to get to his spots against his own matchup. It doesn't bother him in college one bit cause of his excellent effciency on his post-up fade aways. I do wonder how it's going to affect I'm in the NBA. I will add that he is absolutely unstoppable against a switch in College, so I like that.

Colson can shoot jumpers from short, mid and long rang. I wanna be careful with it, but his efficiency was really great in 20016-2017 from all 3 levels. Although in low volume and has been inconsistent from year to year. His catch and shoot when unguarded is great in College. It's tough to project how good he is going to be eventually as a shooter in the NBA. Though, you can feel optimistic because he has decent form.

Moreover, offensively he was really only looking for his own shot. He was doubled a lot in the post, but didn't show great passing out of the post or great anticipation. Also, for some reason he just doesn't screen..he only slips. So again, is that because of his skinny legs or??? I really wished he had stronger core...I think it limits his upside some what.

Not a good passer or an explosive straight line driver as well.

Colson despite his stats is not a great of a defender; Notre Dame basically hedges and followed every screen. He hedges well, but he doesn't recover very quickly. As a defender, he was mainly hedging and defending the post. Again, because of his weak lower body, he wasn't very good as a post defender...although he did show good hands in the post, hence his high stl rate.

I do think he can succeed, but he is going to need some work.



Crowder is exactly who he was in College. They play nothing a like so the comparison to me is way off.
Colson is more like a hybrid of Jarnell Stokes/Draymond Green. Like take away Green's elite passing, ball handling skills for a big, ability to run the break, passing and elite defense and replace it with a player that's longer, has an elite post up game and has an upside of being a much better all-around player in time...perhaps on both ends... just not there now. Crowder is more like Gary Clark.
 
inliner311 said:
I'd rather find a vet that just got left out of free agency, possibly Michael Carter-Williams. Or go and find a undrafted rookie or someone who has been playing in Europe to come in. Aaron Craft has been shooting 40% from 3 in Europe over the last 3 years. He might be more suited to be our 3rd PG but I bet he can run an offense better than Clarkson.

I hope the Cavs learn from last summer to not handcuff themselves by giving someone like Calderon a guaranteed contract. I also hope that they use their two way contracts wisely. They should be 16th and 17th player on a NBA roster talent, not two G-leaguers that you want to reward.
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Aaron Craft was everything you want in a pure point guard except he couldn't shoot and had limited length. I'm pretty certain he can make an NBA roster now, and in no way a homer assessment. He can run a second group.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Aaron Craft was everything you want in a pure point guard except he couldn't shoot and had limited length. I'm pretty certain he can make an NBA roster now, and in no way a homer assessment. He can run a second group.
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He could shoot 3s his freshman and sophomore years then it went down hill. Playing in Europe definitely helped him. I watched him in TBT when he was playing with the Ohio State alumni squad last summer. The team looked lost whenever he was off the floor, it reminded me of the Cavs when LeBron takes a rest.

When Craft was on the floor they looked like the best team in the tournament by far. If I was Koby I'd give him a summer league/camp invite. Could easily turn to the next Delly for us.
 
Kiddo said:
Marco Belineli?
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honestly he reminds me of joe harris, so we should probably trade him to brooklyn only so he has a chance to grow into the player he needs to be
 
thedarkness2332 said:
Former Purdue guard Dakota Mathias excited about his fit with Cleveland Cavaliers

The 6-4 shooting guard signed an Exhibit 10 contract, which contains partially guaranteed financial terms.

NATHAN BAIRD | LAFAYETTE JOURNAL & COURIER

Updated 5:08 p.m. EDT June 22, 2018
  • Mathias averaged 12.0 points, 4.1 rebounds and 3.9 assists as a senior.
  • His 41.9 percent career 3-point percentage ranks fifth in Purdue history.
WEST LAFAYETTE — Dakota Mathias watched the final picks of Thursday's NBA Draft with a certain level of comfort.

Through his performances on the workout circuit in previous weeks, the former Purdue guard had begun conversations with a handful of teams. Some offered what he and his representatives considered better fits than what might have been available from teams picking at the bottom of the second round.

Minutes after the draft concluded, Mathias jumped on an opportunity with the Cleveland Cavaliers. His Exhibit 10agreement serves as a partially guaranteed contract and provides perhaps a wider opening to at least earning a spot in the developmental G League.

"The way their roster is set up right now, something could happen this summer," Mathias said. "They need guys who can defend and shoot the ball at a high level. That's something they preached to me.

Mathias will play for Cleveland's NBA Summer League team. The structure of his agreement differs significantly from other players who received summer league invitations.

Exhibit 10 players can receive a bonus up to $50,000 if they signs with their parent organization's G League team after being waved and stay there for 60 days. Exhibit 10 deals can be converted to two-way contracts, which allow players to split time between the NBA and G League.

"It's an opportunity to make the team or possibly get a two-way contract," Mathias said. "I get to come to training camp and compete for a spot to make the team. All you want is an opportunity."

Summer League play begins July 6 in Las Vegas. Mathias said he reports around the first of the month to begin practices.

Behind LeBron James, Cleveland has been one of the most consistently successful NBA franchises of the last decade. The Cavaliers are the three-time defending Eastern Conference champion.

Mathias had mentioned Cleveland's Kyle Korver as a player whose game he aspired to emulate at the next level. A few other guard/wings face free agent decisions in the offseason.

Mathias said he grew up a Cavaliers fan and attended games with his brothers. Cleveland is less than three hours' drive from his hometown.

Cleveland was not one of the seven teams who invited Mathias for an individual workout. However, the Cavaliers were one of five teams in attendance for a pro day in Chicago in which Mathias participated. He also played in the prestigious Portsmouth Invitational Tournament, an annual showcase for potential NBA talent.

Mathias did not arrive in Purdue with the same professional expectations as classmates Vincent Edwards and Isaac Haas. Instead, he built them with his improvement over the next four years.

The 6-4, 200-pound Mathias was a three-year starter who set Boilermaker career records for games played (141) and 3-pointers made (250).

He arrived at Purdue known more for his 3-point shooting and offensive IQ. Over the course of his career he developed into the team's best perimeter defender and a two-time Big Ten All-Defensive Team selection.

As a result, he'll join Edwards (Houston Rockets) and Haas (Utah Jazz) on summer league rosters next month.

"It shows four-year guys are still valuable," Mathias said. "I think the teams that went with us or picked us saw the value what Purdue guys can bring."

https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2018/06/22/purdues-dakota-mathias-lands-partially-guaranteed-deal-cleveland/724888002/
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"Something could happen this summer." Indeed.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Aaron Craft was everything you want in a pure point guard except he couldn't shoot and had limited length. I'm pretty certain he can make an NBA roster now, and in no way a homer assessment. He can run a second group.
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I'd rather get Delly back, but I'd love me some Craft too.
 
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