Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck

[Pierre Pan]

View: https://twitter.com/eurohoopsnet/status/964088544829558784

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

It's too bad Cedi isn't on the rising stars... really wanted to watch him play without any restrictions and pressure and watch what he can really do.

Would have been great for his confidence too.

 

[chuck0609]

It will never happen but I would keep Cedi in the starting line up until Love returns. At least there wouldn't be a disruption in two rotations or hurt feelings that Hood got bumped. Cedi would gain valuable experience learning on the job.

I'm leaning toward this. I thought he struggled against OKC, was a bit exposed- although it was by PG, who is obviously elite.
They didn't help him much with the screening and Adams blew him up a few times. OKC also allowed him to take his jumper, so teams are already saying "let him beat you".
This was a measuring stick game for him- RIGHT NOW he's not prepared to play against a Golden State in the playoffs. Obviously not many players in the NBA are though.
I would definitely keep him in the starting lineup until Love gets back, and definitely get minutes with the second unit.
The other wildcard is JR, who has been lights out recently. A lights out JR definitely deserves the minute over Cedi, and I want to see a lot more of Hood.

 

[Cavatt]

I'm leaning toward this. I thought he struggled against OKC, was a bit exposed- although it was by PG, who is obviously elite.
They didn't help him much with the screening and Adams blew him up a few times. OKC also allowed him to take his jumper, so teams are already saying "let him beat you".
This was a measuring stick game for him- RIGHT NOW he's not prepared to play against a Golden State in the playoffs. Obviously not many players in the NBA are though.
I would definitely keep him in the starting lineup until Love gets back, and definitely get minutes with the second unit.
The other wildcard is JR, who has been lights out recently. A lights out JR definitely deserves the minute over Cedi, and I want to see a lot more of Hood.

Osman was playable in the 2nd half against OKC. He is really good at making adjustments. He was much better at getting into Paul George and at least realized some of those moving screens were coming. Not saying he should play GS in the playoffs, but I think it depends more on needs. They really needed Hood's offense against OKC because their defense was so good. I think if Cedi ends up not playing against GS in the finals it will be more because of his lack of offense than defense. I know he could help defensively against them.

The 3's that OKC hit were either contested or on the break, or off offensive rebounds. This team is covering the 3 much much better and Cedi is a part of that.

 

[Crosby_Cavs]

It's too bad Cedi on the rising stars... really wanted to watch him play without any restrictions and pressure and watch what he can really do.

Would have been great for his confidence too.

Yes. There is no way East has 10 better rookies than Cedi. But this is on Lue, this f****** moron is blind and Cedi should play much earlier.

 

[Jedi Osman]

http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2015/

I just checked the 2015 Draft again and wow that was a pretty strong draft class. Was curious to look at which place i would have drafted Cedi with the current situation.

1. Towns
2. Booker
3. Porzingis
4. Turner
5. Russel
6. Rozier
7. Portis
8. Cauley-Stein
9. Osman
10. Nance Jr.

Too high or accurate?

 

[Cavatt]

Yes. There is no way East has 10 better rookies than Cedi. But this is on Lue, this f****** moron is blind and Cedi should play much earlier.

Cavs hid him until it was too late. I would love to see him be more aggressive rebound the ball and then attack the hoop. That would be a good display for him.

Just looked at the 2015 draft. Did we get Cedi for Wiggins from Minnesota? That rules

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Cavs hid him until it was too late. I would love to see him be more aggressive rebound the ball and then attack the hoop. That would be a good display for him.

Just looked at the 2015 draft. Did we get Cedi for Wiggins from Minnesota? That rules

No.

We traded Tyus Jones to Minnesota on draft night for Rakeem Christmas and Cedi Osman.

 

[Cavatt]

No.

We traded Tyus Jones to Minnesota on draft night for Rakeem Christmas and Cedi Osman.

Oh yeah. Hmm Barely remember that. Christmas didn't work out, but I am glad we did that.

 

[ACisKING]

http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2015/

I just checked the 2015 Draft again and wow that was a pretty strong draft class. Was curious to look at which place i would have drafted Cedi with the current situation.

1. Towns
2. Booker
3. Porzingis
4. Turner
5. Russel
6. Rozier
7. Portis
8. Cauley-Stein
9. Osman
10. Nance Jr.

Too high or accurate?

Pretty good list tbh. I would put Nance over Osman for his upside but no real quibbles beyond that.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Cedi Osman just moved up to 35th ranked SF according to RPM... he is trending upwards pretty fast.

Here are his Defensive Synergy stats so far... I'm only posting defensive ones as offensively he is mostly relegated to Spot ups and Transition points he is in the 75 Percentile and 78 Percentile respectively... the number of possessions on offense still make it unreliable.

Still kind small sample size, but I think his potential as a PnR Ball Handler defender is what's going to make him valuable.

Legend:

aFG% - Using the AFG% in basketball accounts for the added point the three point basket provides

%FT-The percentage of the possessions the player is awarded free throws

%SF-is the percentage of player's possessions the player is fouled in the act of shooting

%Score-is the percentage of player's possessions the player scored at least 1 point

%TO-percentage of player's possessions that result in a Turnover.

FGm-missed free throws

FGM-made free throws


Defending Spot ups

for some reason he is poor defending when a player takes a dribble and excellent when he does not.

Defending the P&R Ball Handler

This is his bread and butter, he a his best when the attacker doesn't take it to the rack but settles for a jump shot after getting an on-ball screen... like we saw in his matchup against Kyrie.

In his matchup against PG13, at first he tried to go under picks(it was off-screens but it's still similar in a way), he had much less success than when he went into picks like we saw in the 2nd half. He is still at better going under picks when the ball handler asks for a pick(when he guards PGs for example) then when he has to guard players that use a lot of screens off the ball like PG13 and Korver even, so in that case we should just use his versatility and switch.

Defending Off Screens

Defending in Isolation

Defending Hand-Offs

And some Freebie stat tracking from NBA.com

 

[ACisKING]

Cedi Osman just moved up to 35th ranked SF according to RPM... he is trending upwards pretty fast.

Here are his Defensive Synergy stats so far... I'm only positive defensive ones as offensively he is mostly relegated to Spot ups and Transition points he is in the 75 Percentile and 78 Percentile respectively... the number of possessions on offense still make it unreliable.

Still kind small sample size, but I think his potential as a PnR Ball Handler defender is what's going to make him valuable.

Legend:

aFG% - Using the AFG% in basketball accounts for the added point the three point basket provides

%FT-The percentage of the possessions the player is awarded free throws

%SF-is the percentage of player's possessions the player is fouled in the act of shooting

%Score-is the percentage of player's possessions the player scored at least 1 point

%TO-percentage of player's possessions that result in a Turnover.

FGm-missed free throws

FGM-made free throws


Defending Spot ups

for some reason he is poor defending when a player takes a dribble and excellent when he does not.

Defending the P&R Ball Handler

This is his bread and butter, he a his best when the attacker doesn't take it to the rack but settles for a jump shot after getting an on-ball screen... like we saw in his matchup against Kyrie.

Defending Off Screens

Defending in Isolation

Defending Hand-Offs

And some Freebie stat tracking from NBA.com

Awesome stuff - great find.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Awesome stuff - great find.

It's not a find... I gathered it up from my synergy subscription... took hard work and shit.

Thank you.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

No.

We traded Tyus Jones to Minnesota on draft night for Rakeem Christmas and Cedi Osman.

How'd I get a disagree for this?

Edit: Nvm, @Crosby_Cavs just went through like my last 10 posts and slammed disagree on all of them because I gave him one for saying that Atlanta should have their franchise taken away.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Cedi Osman just moved up to 35th ranked SF according to RPM... he is trending upwards pretty fast.

Here are his Defensive Synergy stats so far... I'm only posting defensive ones as offensively he is mostly relegated to Spot ups and Transition points he is in the 75 Percentile and 78 Percentile respectively... the number of possessions on offense still make it unreliable.

Still kind small sample size, but I think his potential as a PnR Ball Handler defender is what's going to make him valuable.

Legend:

aFG% - Using the AFG% in basketball accounts for the added point the three point basket provides

%FT-The percentage of the possessions the player is awarded free throws

%SF-is the percentage of player's possessions the player is fouled in the act of shooting

%Score-is the percentage of player's possessions the player scored at least 1 point

%TO-percentage of player's possessions that result in a Turnover.

FGm-missed free throws

FGM-made free throws


Defending Spot ups

for some reason he is poor defending when a player takes a dribble and excellent when he does not.

Defending the P&R Ball Handler

This is his bread and butter, he a his best when the attacker doesn't take it to the rack but settles for a jump shot after getting an on-ball screen... like we saw in his matchup against Kyrie.

In his matchup against PG13, at first he tried to go under picks(it was off-screens but it's still similar in a way), he had much less success than when he went into picks like we saw in the 2nd half. He is still at better going under picks when the ball handler asks for a pick(when he guards PGs for example) then when he has to guard players that use a lot of screens off the ball like PG13 and Korver even, so in that case we should just use his versatility and switch.

Defending Off Screens

Defending in Isolation

Defending Hand-Offs

And some Freebie stat tracking from NBA.com

I don't think RPM is that valuable of a stat. Cedi is on the floor while the Cavs are playing great ball, and he's going to be inflated by that. I'm pretty sure RPM says Tyus Jones is one of the best players in the NBA.

I love the Synergy stuff though--that's some good info on Cedi.

For the NBA Shots Dashboard, it helps to just go off totals, rather than per game averages.