Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I don't think RPM is that valuable of a stat. Cedi is on the floor while the Cavs are playing great ball, and he's going to be inflated by that. I'm pretty sure RPM says Tyus Jones is one of the best players in the NBA.

I love the Synergy stuff though--that's some good info on Cedi.

For the NBA Shots Dashboard, it helps to just go off totals, rather than per game averages.

Still thought adding RPM was nice addition... I always like looking at it.

I'm still trying to understand how to watch video segments of plays in Synergy but i'm having shitty time.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Still thought adding RPM was nice addition... I always like looking at it.

I'm still trying to understand how to watch video segments of plays in Synergy but i'm having shitty time.

Definitely. There's nothing wrong with more information. Never hold information back--always put it all out there.

I just want to make sure we're not saying a player is good/bad because of a stat like RPM.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

How'd I get a disagree for this?

Edit: Nvm, @Crosby_Cavs just went through like my last 10 posts and slammed disagree on all of them because I gave him one for saying that Atlanta should have their franchise taken away.

Well, atleast when you disagreed with my posts I still didn't hit you with even one disagree, don't you think it's commendable ?

 

[chuck0609]

Osman was playable in the 2nd half against OKC. He is really good at making adjustments. He was much better at getting into Paul George and at least realized some of those moving screens were coming. Not saying he should play GS in the playoffs, but I think it depends more on needs. They really needed Hood's offense against OKC because their defense was so good. I think if Cedi ends up not playing against GS in the finals it will be more because of his lack of offense than defense. I know he could help defensively against them.

The 3's that OKC hit were either contested or on the break, or off offensive rebounds. This team is covering the 3 much much better and Cedi is a part of that.

He’s definitely part of this resurgence and should be going forward. We just got our first look against the league’s elite.

 

[shoes22]

I don't think RPM is that valuable of a stat. Cedi is on the floor while the Cavs are playing great ball, and he's going to be inflated by that. I'm pretty sure RPM says Tyus Jones is one of the best players in the NBA.

I’m gonna take a second to defend RPM here...it’s not a bad stat, you just have to make sure it’s used in the right contexts. It does tell you some useful information...even in the situations where Cedi just happens to be on the floor while everyone else is playing great ball, what that means is at the very least, he’s not making the others worse, and he can successfully be used in winning lineups. Often players like that are good defenders or provide other intangibles that most stats find difficult to quantify.

It’s a lot more than what someone like Isaiah Thomas is able to say, is what I’m getting at.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I’m gonna take a second to defend RPM here...it’s not a bad stat, you just have to make sure it’s used in the right contexts. It does tell you some useful information...even in the situations where Cedi just happens to be on the floor while everyone else is playing great ball, what that means is at the very least, he’s not making the others worse, and he can successfully be used in winning lineups. Often players like that are good defenders or provide other intangibles that most stats find difficult to quantify.

It’s a lot more than what someone like Isaiah Thomas is able to say, is what I’m getting at.

Every stat is useful with context. Post it. Provide more information. Just always try to understand it.

 

[bob2the2nd]

So Im sure im going to get shot for this one, and take it with a grain of salt being as i still havent had a chance to watch the hawks game or the thunder game. However when i watch Cedi I get the sense he is forcing things/the game is too fast. I get why everyone likes his potential but he still seems pretty far away from a finished product.

On defense he seems to get tunnel vision. When trying to stay in front of guys he seems to ignore his surroundings. In the boston game I watched last night it seemed like he was getting screened way too easily because he didnt see it coming.

On offense, ignoring his out of control drives, he doesnt really seem to understand when he should shoot it and when he shouldnt. Some times he will get the ball and just throw it up there regardless of how close the defender is, other times he will be open and make the pass.

I will say its clear he has a metric ton of potential. If he can stay in front of Kyrie he can stay in front of anyone, and at 6 7 he can body up SFs meaning he can effective guard anyone 1-3. I think long term he has the potential to be one hell of a defensive piece but i see that as being 1-2 years away not something that is going to happen by the end of the year.

I know there is a lot of reason to be really excited by him as a prospect but at the same time I still see a bunch of flaws from a very unfinished product.

I know shoot me

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

So Im sure im going to get shot for this one, and take it with a grain of salt being as i still havent had a chance to watch the hawks game or the thunder game. However when i watch Cedi I get the sense he is forcing things/the game is too fast. I get why everyone likes his potential but he still seems pretty far away from a finished product.

On defense he seems to get tunnel vision. When trying to stay in front of guys he seems to ignore his surroundings. In the boston game I watched last night it seemed like he was getting screened way too easily because he didnt see it coming.

On offense, ignoring his out of control drives, he doesnt really seem to understand when he should shoot it and when he shouldnt. Some times he will get the ball and just throw it up there regardless of how close the defender is, other times he will be open and make the pass.

I will say its clear he has a metric ton of potential. If he can stay in front of Kyrie he can stay in front of anyone, and at 6 7 he can body up SFs meaning he can effective guard anyone 1-3. I think long term he has the potential to be one hell of a defensive piece but i see that as being 1-2 years away not something that is going to happen by the end of the year.

I know there is a lot of reason to be really excited by him as a prospect but at the same time I still see a bunch of flaws from a very unfinished product.

I know shoot me

You're completely right. He's a rookie. It's going to take some time for the game to slow down for him. There's a reason no rookies really have a positive impact that matches their ability, and why Cedi probably is cut out of the rotation come playoff time.

 

[weepinwillow]

Do you think they will retire his number before his first team option is picked up? Or do the Cavs wait until he inks his first extension?

 

[ACisKING]

So Im sure im going to get shot for this one, and take it with a grain of salt being as i still havent had a chance to watch the hawks game or the thunder game. However when i watch Cedi I get the sense he is forcing things/the game is too fast. I get why everyone likes his potential but he still seems pretty far away from a finished product.

On defense he seems to get tunnel vision. When trying to stay in front of guys he seems to ignore his surroundings. In the boston game I watched last night it seemed like he was getting screened way too easily because he didnt see it coming.

On offense, ignoring his out of control drives, he doesnt really seem to understand when he should shoot it and when he shouldnt. Some times he will get the ball and just throw it up there regardless of how close the defender is, other times he will be open and make the pass.

I will say its clear he has a metric ton of potential. If he can stay in front of Kyrie he can stay in front of anyone, and at 6 7 he can body up SFs meaning he can effective guard anyone 1-3. I think long term he has the potential to be one hell of a defensive piece but i see that as being 1-2 years away not something that is going to happen by the end of the year.

I know there is a lot of reason to be really excited by him as a prospect but at the same time I still see a bunch of flaws from a very unfinished product.

I know shoot me

I agree with all of the above. I still think he is a plus defender even at this early stage. He plays hard as fuck and his energy is infectious. But it’s his lack of gravity on offense that could be a problem in the playoffs. Maybe it’s because opponents don’t fear his shot yet or maybe it’s because he hesitates to shoot when open at times and is really a slasher at heart, but opponents seem to sag off of him to clog the paint. Not only does this affect driving lanes, but it allows teams to hide weaker defenders on him. When Love is at the five, I could also see teams hiding their centers on Osman like they did with Crowder earlier this season, thereby negating in part some of the advantages gained by playing Love at center.

 

[yeldem]

he made it!!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsTy9pSLXNw

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

I agree with all of the above. I still think he is a plus defender even at this early stage. He plays hard as fuck and his energy is infectious. But it’s his lack of gravity on offense that could be a problem in the playoffs. Maybe it’s because opponents don’t fear his shot yet or maybe it’s because he hesitates to shoot when open at times and is really a slasher at heart, but opponents seem to sag off of him to clog the paint. Not only does this affect driving lanes, but it allows teams to hide weaker defenders on him. When Love is at the five, I could also see teams hiding their centers on Osman like they did with Crowder earlier this season, thereby negating in part some of the advantages gained by playing Love at center.

Agreed. What's interesting is I think Cedi can get to the rim off the dribble, and he shoots a decent % at like 41% or whatever from 3. And he has great vision / passing skills.

So he's not a stiff like Crowder teams can sag off, he just plays very reserved on offense, like he is trying to be mistake free and defers alot.

With more reps that should hopefully fade? If I was Lue I would tell him to just play aggressive and not worry about making a mistake.

 

[gaitano]

Agreed. What's interesting is I think Cedi can get to the rim off the dribble, and he shoots a decent % at like 41% or whatever from 3. And he has great vision / passing skills.

So he's not a stiff like Crowder teams can sag off, he just plays very reserved on offense, like he is trying to be mistake free and defers alot.

With more reps that should hopefully fade? If I was Lue I would tell him to just play aggressive and not worry about making a mistake.

It seems like an insider joke that regular homer fans are overrating Cedi, but really just given the confidence and experience of regular minutes he could be a plus two-way player and contribute in the playoffs this year. I hope he gets that opportunity.

 

[Pioneer10]

I agree with all of the above. I still think he is a plus defender even at this early stage. He plays hard as fuck and his energy is infectious. But it’s his lack of gravity on offense that could be a problem in the playoffs. Maybe it’s because opponents don’t fear his shot yet or maybe it’s because he hesitates to shoot when open at times and is really a slasher at heart, but opponents seem to sag off of him to clog the paint. Not only does this affect driving lanes, but it allows teams to hide weaker defenders on him. When Love is at the five, I could also see teams hiding their centers on Osman like they did with Crowder earlier this season, thereby negating in part some of the advantages gained by playing Love at center.

I think this is much easier to solve if your the Cavs with Cedi rathe then Crowder. Cedi is very comfortable with the ball so if you put a center on him, I'd run a PnR with him as the ballhandler and of our playmakers. Not only is he much more comfortable shooting off the dribble (I'm basing this on his NT performance), if they switch you'll have a center on Clarkson, Lebron, Green, or Hood which the Cavs would take all day.

Crowder doesn't have the handle to due this. Cedi would still need to prove he can shoot off the bounce but from watching him this is something he should be able to do particularly if he gets enough minutes to get more comfortable (or at least in a year or two with more experience)

 

[ACisKING]

I think this is much easier to solve if your the Cavs with Cedi rathe then Crowder. Cedi is very comfortable with the ball so if you put a center on him, I'd run a PnR with him as the ballhandler and of our playmakers. Not only is he much more comfortable shooting off the dribble (I'm basing this on his NT performance), if they switch you'll have a center on Clarkson, Lebron, Green, or Hood which the Cavs would take all day.

Crowder doesn't have the handle to due this. Cedi would still need to prove he can shoot off the bounce but from watching him this is something he should be able to do particularly if he gets enough minutes to get more comfortable (or at least in a year or two with more experience)

I think Cedi will easily be able to overcome this in the future. He has all the tools to do so already. Hell if he would just shoot more willingly that would solve a lot. And as you said he has the slashing ability and passing to be a pick and roll ball handler. I was just talking about this year's playoffs while Cedi is still so green.