Chris Grant - Cavaliers GM

[tn819]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....-deal-with-pacers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

Sounds like a clear locker room cancer who couldn't fit in with the team. Not saying we were wrong to trade Bynum or that his style was a good fit on the team we are allegedly building (still trying to understand what that team will look like myself), but can anyone say "fall guy" and "rudderless franchise"?

 

[godfather]

This is why I've never, ever, ever faulted LB for leaving this disgrace of an organization. I'm not a LB homer, or apologist. The way he conducted himself could have clearly been better, but how can anyone fast forward and blame him now for leaving?

This organization has just been an utter mess for the longest time. We're seeing it hit full circle, now that one of the greatest players ever has left. It's amazing we had the success we did with him here, under a coach like Brown.

If Gilbert and company is ready to blow up the team, then blow it ALL UP! I mean front office, the coaching staff, all of it. I personally don't think we need to get that drastic. I think a trade is going to need to happen, I personally would rather wait in the off-season when we have a new GM and coach, before doing that.

I said before we can't fire Mike, but I take it back. He's been too awful to keep him on the team next year. I think you clean house with Grant and Mike. You definitely make a trade or two, but wait until you have the new people in place. Things are so bad on the Grant/Brown watch, I don't know how Gilbert can come back with both, and look fans in the eye and say we're serious about building a contender.

These guys have shit the bed badly. And to throw it ALL on the players, and take no accountability at all, shows their ignorance. They haven't done jack shit in the NBA at all, to deserve the benefit of the doubt. Any success they had was under LeBron James. They've done nothing without him, and that includes Gilbert.

We need to stop making excuses, they've all been horrible. It's so stinking bad, you got to get rid of the core of the problem. The people that put this shit fest together got to go!

 

[jvl]

Stop being so shortsighted. Yes, Oladipo is better today and that is the same thinking that made us pass on Drummond, because Waiters was better at the moment and Drummond was too big of a project. Stop contradicting yourself to better serve your agenda. If only we had a time machine to play your little revisionist game.....

Agreed . Bennett and Waiters have way more upside than the others

 

[shoes22]

If Bennett ends up being the best player of the 2013 draft, does Grant still deserve to be fired?

 

[Triumph36]

If Bennett ends up being the best player of the 2013 draft, does Grant still deserve to be fired?

but he will be long, long gone by the time that happens/if it does

 

[RTrees]

Mike Brown must have some CRAZY college photos of Chris Grant in compromising positions.

That's my only explanation for this 2013-2014 Cleveland Cavaliers NBA season.

 

[Snarly]

but he will be long, long gone by the time that happens/if it does

I find your Avatar funny as he was the one who drafted that multi year all star Marvin Williams... Once again looking at his draft history I should have known! I will keep Grant to do only trades but he Is as good as a pre schooler at drafting unless you got a no brainer like Kyrie.

 

[Sir John]

For a minute, I was totally shocked to read some of the full-throated defenses of Waiters and his (potential?) brilliance in this thread. Then I realized I wasn't logged in and it mostly correlated to those I've got on Ignore for continually being not merely wrong but also with zero basketball understanding and who routinely contradict themselves without even noticing.

No rational person who is not merely watching but also understanding what they're seeing can possibly think that Waiters is playing well or even flashing all that much. Even adjusted for his minutes/role this season, he has declined as a player, not made the year 2 jump he should've. Both visual scouting and advanced stats -- even the preferred advance stats of tweedle dee and tweedle dumber -- confirm this.

Could Waiters turn it around? Sure, of course, absolutely. But usually a player with real long-term potential doesn't decline from his rookie season. That's a bad sign. I think the problem is that raw point scoring is being overvalued while efficient shooting, rebounding, turnovers, defense and all the other parts that go into playing well are being underemphasized -- or frankly just not observed by some with low BB IQ.

Right now, to me, I'd guess his "potential" is more along the lines of players like Rudy Gay, Ben Gordon, Corey Maggette, and even Melo. Dudes who can put up some good point totals but in actuality their all-around game actually causes their teams to keep losing.

Truth is, Waiters has a real long way to go and it's a real leap of faith to think he'll get there.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

For a minute, I was totally shocked to read some of the full-throated defenses of Waiters and his (potential?) brilliance in this thread. Then I realized I wasn't logged in and it mostly correlated to those I've got on Ignore for continually being not merely wrong but also with zero basketball understanding and who routinely contradict themselves without even noticing.

No rational person who is not merely watching but also understanding what they're seeing can possibly think that Waiters is playing well or even flashing all that much. Even adjusted for his minutes/role this season, he has declined as a player, not made the year 2 jump he should've. Both visual scouting and advanced stats -- even the preferred advance stats of tweedle dee and tweedle dumber -- confirm this.

Could Waiters turn it around? Sure, of course, absolutely. But usually a player with real long-term potential doesn't decline from his rookie season. That's a bad sign. I think the problem is that raw point scoring is being overvalued while efficient shooting, rebounding, turnovers, defense and all the other parts that go into playing well are being underemphasized -- or frankly just not observed by some with low BB IQ.

Right now, to me, I'd guess his "potential" is more along the lines of players like Rudy Gay, Ben Gordon, Corey Maggette, and even Melo. Dudes who can put up some good point totals but in actuality their all-around game actually causes their teams to keep losing.

Truth is, Waiters has a real long way to go and it's a real leap of faith to think he'll get there.

Thank you sir. Now he bashers will hate on me for thanking you. :chuckles:

 

[RDriesen]

Yes

 

[RDriesen]

I will say this. I am not a fan of Mike Brown and I didn't like it when we hired him. With that said, the problem doesn't start with Mike Brown and it won't end if we get rid of him. Gilbert and Grant are the problem.

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

Hey Chris! give me a call if you need help with taking your bags to the airport

 

[SteelSmack]

Thread title needs changed to "Chris Grant - Cavaliers GM... for now" or "Chris Grant - Cavaliers Lame Duck GM".

 

[Soar]

If Bennett ends up being the best player of the 2013 draft, does Grant still deserve to be fired?

I go back and forth on this. I like what Grant has done mostly. Asset accumulation, decent trades, etc. But he hasn't shown the capability of putting players together that fit well.

He tied much of his fate to Dion Waiters. That was the guy that he decided should be Irving's backcourt mate. And that looks to be a mistake.

We need more PFs and smaller guards though. That should fix the problem.

 

[Brandon Price]

Anyone telling you to overlook the performances and potential of Drummond is just a waste of keystrokes. I'm not going to overlook 13/13!/2blks in 32 minutes from a 20 year-old Ford Tough-built seven-footer to delude myself about a 6-3 streak shooter that can't make layups or free throws.

No. It WAS a mistake. Not even debatable.