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Cleveland Browns 2019 Season

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The Oi said:
Come to Western (not Pittsburgh) Pa.

We have crippling economic depression, blight like you cant fathom, taxes on taxes on taxes, an opioid epidemic of plague-like proportions and an incredibly corrupt government.

But for the epicurean we have more wing joints, pizza places and sandwich shops than you can shake a stick at.

Not to mention a minor league hockey team.
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Where are the taxes going?

Paying Rapistberger's legal bills?
 
MirORich said:
Their offense overall was.

Obviously went to a whole another level last year with Mahomes.

My post was made in defense of Hunt, not meant to marginalize his talent. I was just presenting an argument to those who think Hunt of just average or slightly above average outside of the KC talent level and system. If those people were right, it might be a concern if Hunt had been picked up the Dolphins, Jags, or Bills. But landing here, whether you think it’s the talent or the system, it shouldn’t matter. Hunt should be able to impact in his reps in the exact same manner as he did in KC.
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I mean, what do you quantify that impact as?

That offense barely skipped a beat with Damien Williams in there, and Williams looked faster.

Hunt is good, but he's not some superstar talent. If you think he is, I feel like that opinion is coming from numbers moreso than watching him play.

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing him. He's probably the best backup rb in the league. He's a good rb. It just sounds ridiculously homer when we call him a top 5 rb.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
I mean, what do you quantify that impact as?

That offense barely skipped a beat with Damien Williams in there, and Williams looked faster.

Hunt is good, but he's not some superstar talent. If you think he is, I feel like that opinion is coming from numbers moreso than watching him play.

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing him. He's probably the best backup rb in the league. He's a good rb. It just sounds ridiculously homer when we call him a top 5 rb.
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Analytics actually have Hunt as an above average RB. A perfectly good starter but nothing special. I think the top-5 stuff is just being a fan or watching highlights.
 
I don’t think as of week 8 last year that Kareem Hunt being a top 5 NFL RB was really an outrageous take

I think the homerism take is being overstated. Fans from all over were identifying him as one of the best young backs in the nfl

Now if you want to say that that was primarily fantasy motivated, ok, but to act like browns fans are the only ones who have ever mentioned Hunt as a top 5 back or one of the premier emerging young talents in the league? I disagree. Hunt had a mountain of hype behind him
 
Or just rate it funny without an argument. I don’t even know why I tried to engage with you after what a cluster fuck you caused last time
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
I don’t think as of week 8 last year that Kareem Hunt being a top 5 NFL RB was really an outrageous take

I think the homerism take is being overstated. Fans from all over were identifying him as one of the best young backs in the nfl

Now if you want to say that that was primarily fantasy motivated, ok, but to act like browns fans are the only ones who have ever mentioned Hunt as a top 5 back or one of the premier emerging young talents in the league? I disagree. Hunt had a mountain of hype behind him
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I'm going so far as to say not a single credible person was saying Kareem Hunt is a top 5 RB in the NFL at any point in his career--even during the crazy start he had to 2017.

If you want to talk about fantasy, that's a completely different story, and not at all what we're talking about.

To try and say he's more talented than Gurley, Zeke, DJ, Kamara, Saquon, Bell, McCaffrey, Gordon, Fournette, Shady, Mixon, etc is just absurd.

If you want to pick a couple of those guys and say you'd rather have Kareem Hunt than them? I could see an argument--especially if you pick out Fournette or Shady and bring up injuries. But that doesn't make him top 5. Kareem Hunt on a good day is much closer to the Dalvin Cooks and Devonta Freemans of the world than he is to someone like Saquon.

If you can find a talent evaluator who agrees with you, I'd be interested to see it.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Are you capable of separating a player's talent from his situation?
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I have watched probably 10-12 of Fournette’s career games and he has been a timid runner with poor vision who looks slow and indecisive. He looks like the second coming of Richardson with his uninspired slamming into the backs of his linemen

There is no excuse for a top back to average 3.3 YPC in his prime. Fournette has been put in a significantly worse offense than Hunt was in, it doesn’t excuse being perennially the least efficient RB in the NFL

His name is his biggest asset at this point because if a 5th rounder was producing at such a poor level as Fournette has, he would have been cut by now

TJ Yeldon who is JAG has averaged 4.4 YPC in 153 carries the last 2 seasons in the same shitty offense.

Fournette is on borrowed time. Maybe some team views it all on the Jaguars and trades for him, but it won’t change his poor running. It’s more than just the offense he is in.

Fournette has been terrible as an NFL running back and rating him below Kareem Hunt is just... seems like you’re caught up in his draft profile
 
I know it’s just one source...but after the 2017/18 season PFF rated Kareem Hunt the 34th best player in the NFL. Out of those 34 players he was 3rd at RB behind Gurley and Kamara. He led the league in rushing, yards after contact (839) and forced missed tackles (61).



FYI, The reason I reference 2017/18 is because it’s a full season of work.
 
Count me among those who believed Hunt was in the top 5 running back talents one year ago. The guy has flaws, but his strengths are the elements that make a top 21st century back. He is a tremendous reader of holes, amazing at breaking tackles and ox strong, great in pass pro, and can run a full route tree. In fact, they were the traits that I saw in Chubb aside from the route tree, which was the reason I was higher on Chubb than most around here his last season with Georgia. Go ahead and make your own judgement on my credibility, don't care.
 
SanduskyCav said:
I know it’s just one source...but after the 2017/18 season PFF rated Kareem Hunt the 34th best player in the NFL. Out of those 34 players he was 3rd at RB behind Gurley and Kamara. He led the league in rushing, yards after contact (839) and forced missed tackles (61).



FYI, The reason I reference 2017/18 is because it’s a full season of work.
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Let the haters say what they want, we got the dude for $1M. That’s a great value for 13/19 of the season.
 
In 11 games last year, Hunt had 1200 total yards and 14 touchdowns.

There's not 10 RBs better than that.

Also can't believe I'm still reading Leonard Fournette's name. Dude went from gassed to washed with nothing in between.
 
Hunt was tied for 7th in HB Madden ratings. Close but no cigar.
 
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