Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[sportscoach]

You're reading too much into Osweiler still being on the roster. We've already paid him $18 million for this upcoming season, that's a much more likely reason he's still here, rather than Hue seeing something salvageable in him.

And his contract being unguaranteed in '18 and '19 doesn't make a difference at all to his next teams. Unless the Browns are willing to eat even more of his base salary moving forward that $17 million cap in 2018 is pretty steep for what looks like a below-average starting QB.

With the new agreement the teams have to be at a certain % of the cap so the Browns are more than willing to pay part of his contract to move him since they have to pay it regardless and them getting picks is important so those two factors to me say they are keeping him to legitimately give him a chance here in Cleveland since I doubt there wasn't at least a late round pick for him, which they would have taken to eat a good portion of his contract. I am waiting to see how he is in training camp, since something tells me he will do better than we are projecting him.

But regardless, we know nothing about how anyone has changed this offseason/improved or regressed until camp starts. QB position will be a competition and Kessler may be the front runner right now, but we don't have a clue who will win. My money is on Kessler, but until preseason comes all we can do is speculate on it.

 

[CosmoKramer]

With the new agreement the teams have to be at a certain % of the cap so the Browns are more than willing to pay part of his contract to move him since they have to pay it regardless and them getting picks is important so those two factors to me say they are keeping him to legitimately give him a chance here in Cleveland since I doubt there wasn't at least a late round pick for him, which they would have taken to eat a good portion of his contract. I am waiting to see how he is in training camp, since something tells me he will do better than we are projecting him.

That run on sentence is epic, but you seem to be doing way too much inferring on the Browns part.

Osweiler is a severely limited QB on a bad contract. Correction, a terrible contract. If you want to wait for training camp before writing him off have at it. I think you're the one overrating his value here, not the rest of the board.

 

[sportscoach]

That run on sentence is epic, but you seem to be doing way too much inferring on the Browns part.

Osweiler is a severely limited QB on a bad contract. Correction, a terrible contract. If you want to wait for training camp before writing him off have at it. I think you're the one overrating his value here, not the rest of the board.

Run on sentence for whatever reason is something I am actually really good at and always have been good at. I am not worried if my opinion is varied from others on the board. I called where Osweiler was going to be picked when he came out and I still see some issues with him, but something isn't right in Houston and I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt cause of it. We loose nothing by giving him a legitimate chance, so that's what I think we should do. Even though he has a 16 mil contract, it was almost a no risk move and a potential high reward move so either way the Browns win the deal at the end of the day.

Also another random and slightly small thing, the Browns didn't bring in a free agent QB after the draft. They would plan on having 5 QBs right now if the plan wasnt to keep Osweiler, so it tells me he will get the chance to start next season. I don't think he should win it, but without making another QB move yet, it's a high probability he can make the team and be at least the second string

 

[godfather]

Run on sentence for whatever reason is something I am actually really good at and always have been good at. I am not worried if my opinion is varied from others on the board. I called where Osweiler was going to be picked when he came out and I still see some issues with him, but something isn't right in Houston and I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt cause of it. We loose nothing by giving him a legitimate chance, so that's what I think we should do. Even though he has a 16 mil contract, it was almost a no risk move and a potential high reward move so either way the Browns win the deal at the end of the day.

He's been pretty bad from day one, and we expect a high upside to him actually playing well?

The Browns made the trade for the second round pick, nothing more.

The reason he's still on the roster is because he's owed a lot money.

Two, we drafted Kizer but with the idea of probably letting him sit a year first. I don't think he's ready, I doubt Hue does.

Three, if something happens to Kessler, they have another backup and aren't forced to put in Kizer when/if they feel he's not ready yet.

If they release Osweiller they'll have to bring someone else in. That's more money to spend on a guy that's not going to be worth a damn. Given the money he's owed, it makes sense to just keep him as a highly paid backup. And an emergency to Kessler if something happens to him so we're not forced to play Kizer if we feel he's not ready.

 

[sportscoach]

He's been pretty bad from day one, and we expect a high upside to him actually playing well?

The Browns made the trade for the second round pick, nothing more.

The reason he's still on the roster is because he's owed a lot money.

Two, we drafted Kizer but with the idea of probably letting him sit a year first. I don't think he's ready, I doubt Hue does.

Three, if something happens to Kessler, they have another backup and aren't forced to put in Kizer when/if they feel he's not ready yet.

If they release Osweiller they'll have to bring someone else in. That's more money to spend on a guy that's not going to be worth a damn. Given the money he's owed, it makes sense to just keep him as a highly paid backup. And an emergency to Kessler if something happens to him so we're not forced to play Kizer if we feel he's not ready.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.cleveland.com/v1/articles/20594354/cleveland_browns_scribbles_my.amp

That I think should work correctly. That is Terry Pluto writing about Osweiler and somewhat me and him are on the exactly same page when it comes to him. I personally don't mind what Pluto writes so go ahead and look at it. I am not expecting Osweiler to be our savior, but I am expecting him to be better than the people here think he will be. His numbers in Denver weren't bad even when he did take a ton of sacks.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

From the Silver article, it seems Hue is going to try and insulate the team from QB play this year *or in other words, run the ball like crazy.*

I still feel the best idea is to run Kizer out there day one. Hes the most talented QB on the roster by far, and if the QB is basically only doing play action and easy passes, no reason not to play him.

FYI, Kizer was something like 70% on play action passes in college. I could see him running the Ben Roethlisburger rookie year offense. But thats just me.

 

[Lee]

From the Silver article, it seems Hue is going to try and insulate the team from QB play this year *or in other words, run the ball like crazy.*

I still feel the best idea is to run Kizer out there day one. Hes the most talented QB on the roster by far, and if the QB is basically only doing play action and easy passes, no reason not to play him.

FYI, Kizer was something like 70% on play action passes in college. I could see him running the Ben Roethlisburger rookie year offense. But thats just me.

I want to agree but say i am not a fan of Kizer.

If they think Kessler is the man, they dont draft Kizer. And Kessler's concussions are very worrisome to me.

Kizer has all the tools, and fell to us in the late 2nd, maybe for good reason, maybe not.

The thing is 2nd round is not high enough to not take another qb, San Diego did it when they had Brees.

We need to start Kizer, almost make it known from day one. I cant think of the last team with a QB competition that did end in a dumpster fire situation. Give the start confidence early in the preseason.

 

[Jack Brickman]

From the Silver article, it seems Hue is going to try and insulate the team from QB play this year *or in other words, run the ball like crazy.*

I still feel the best idea is to run Kizer out there day one. Hes the most talented QB on the roster by far, and if the QB is basically only doing play action and easy passes, no reason not to play him.

FYI, Kizer was something like 70% on play action passes in college. I could see him running the Ben Roethlisburger rookie year offense. But thats just me.

I think they should start whoever looks the best at camp. If that's not Kizer, don't force him out there before he's ready (assuming he ever is). Kessler looks like he can be a fine game manager, and we should have an improved line to protect him and a good enough defense to ensure we actually get some fucking stops. Unless Kizer soundly outplays him heading into the season, I'm expecting Kessler to get the starting nod.

 

[FiveThous]

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[Douglar]

He has no value, that contract is immovable even if he were to play like he did in Denver. It's a poison pill the Browns can rid themselves of after one year.

I'm not so sure about that. I'm not an expert on the NFL CBA, but can't the Browns & Osweiler agree to restructure the contract so that Brock received most of the guaranteed money at the start of the season? If that's the case, his new team would only be on the hook for prorated minimum salary or something like that. Osweiler starts to become very tradeable in that case.

So if the Browns can make Osweiler's "post trade" cap hit very small and then make him look like a 1/2 way viable QB on the field, I could see the Browns getting a draft pick and a defensive vet for him.

 

[Pick6]

Under no circumstances should this team start Osweiler, ever.
So you aren't in favor of playing him if both Kessler and Kizer are not available?

 

[Lee]

I'm not so sure about that. I'm not an expert on the NFL CBA, but can't the Browns & Osweiler agree to restructure the contract so that Brock received most of the guaranteed money at the start of the season? If that's the case, his new team would only be on the hook for prorated minimum salary or something like that. Osweiler starts to become very tradeable in that case.

So if the Browns can make Osweiler's "post trade" cap hit very small and then make him look like a 1/2 way viable QB on the field, I could see the Browns getting a draft pick and a defensive vet for him.

Yes, this is correct.

 

[AZ_]

If Osweiler is still here once the season starts then Jackson has some faith in him and right now whether you like it or not, he is in front of Kizer on the depth chart. He will compete with Kessler to start and if he starts over Kessler then I will trust Jackson's judgement. I have no faith in Bill O'Brian as a coach, so I'll give Osweiler the benefit of the doubt until he is off the team. You can disagree all ya want but there is a strong possibility he could start if he is on this team when the season starts.

Whether you like it or not, you have zero idea what the depth chart is.

 

[sportscoach]

Whether you like it or not, you have zero idea what the depth chart is.

And you have zero idea about what Osweiler will do in Jackson's system as well, so your projection is just as bad as mine. None of us has a clue what he will actually do either, so if you say he shouldn't start ever, then you are saying the same thing I am

Most people though do have Osweiler as the number 2 QB on our depth chart, but he may win out and start for us and win games. I would think that would be funny especially when Peppers has a very good season

 

[MGMT]

He's going to be fucking awful. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever suggesting that he would be even remotely serviceable -- none.

Show me something substantive that supports Osweiler can be a serviceable player. I mean christ, our own front office completely ignored him as a component of the trade this offseason. That's absolutely hilarious.