Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[Chris]

It just blows my mind Osweiler is in position to start. When we got him we all thought we were taking him on begrudgingly, and that he'd be gone before the season started. Oh, no, he's actually your starting quarterback. Mmkay...

Don't really see an argument to start him, he looks like ass out there and really has no excuse for it like Kizer does- the 21 year old rookie who has actually looked better than Osweiler.

With the rookie you'll take your lumps as he makes mistakes but you'll also find out and get a good idea of what you have. Then again, I'm sure he'll be hurt after 3 games with the way this team goes. Sigh.

 

[chrisrich91]

I'm cool with Kizer using his legs as a last resort, but I'm not so cool with all those designed QB runs and options. He has enough arm talent not to lean on that gimmick and potentially get the kid hurt.

He acknowledged in his post game interview that he should have slid on the one big hit he took because he needs to be available for his team for 16 games. But he said with that particular play he wanted to prove one time to his guys that if the situation ever called for him to use his body to get that extra yard or two with the game on the line, he could deliver.

You love to hear shit like that. Now let's assure him that he made his point and he should commit to the slide from here on.

 

[CBBI]

I really like Hue and genuinely think he's a good football coach that players love.

That said...

I'm not at every practice, so maybe this is little unfair, but I just can't fathom how Hue could come to the conclusion that Brock Osweiler is the QB that is most capable of leading this team to wins right now.

He's a truly bad NFL QB. There's mounds of evidence backing this up in the form of awful game tape at numerous stops and his awful preseason performances this season.

At least with Kizer (and to a lesser extent Kessler), he's so young and inexperienced that the possibility for improvement is there.There's at least the chance you'll see those dynamic flashes with Kizer mixed in with the mistakes and failures you often see from 21-year-old rookies.

With Brock, you're simply not going to get that. He is what he is, and what that is, is bad.

Kizer might give you more "F" graded plays than Brock (and this is debatable IMO) because he's so raw, but he has the kind of skillset to give you some "A" and "B" graded plays as well.

Brock is gonna consistently give you "D" graded plays. There's just no ceiling there and it's not like floor is particularly high either.

Start Kizer and live with the results. If he gets "ruined" then he isn't good enough in the first place.

 

[SixPACK]

He needs to slide dammit.

He is too puny to take that many hits.

As long as he doesn't do "The McCown" I am okay. But yes, he does need to stop trying to get those final 3 yards and just take the slide.

 

[Soda]

Kizer needs to be cognizant of the sticks. A couple of the hits he took were both hard & commenced after Kizer had already got the first down yardage.

The game clearly looks a bit quick for him right now. With the full line in place, I think more live reps will help Kizer learn to handle the pace of the game better. This isn't the Tim Couch line.

 

[Ohio]

This is easy. Kizer is the best QB on the roster. Playing anyone else is a waste of time and cheating the team.

 

[Kbiz]

As much as I hate to see our guys taking hard lumps, it's good for a rookie to have his "welcome to the NFL" moment. Kizer wasn't shying away from contact by any means.

While i am not a fan of the designed QB runs we saw last night, a big (and perhaps most underrated) part of Kizer's game at ND was his running ability, which with time should translate into the cliched "aking something out of nothing."

No QB can survive in the NFL if they try to bail themselves out with their legs every time a play breaks down (Hey RGIII) but it's nice to see that Kizer is athletic enough to get tough yards if necessary.

 

[SixPACK]

London Fletcher.

 

[Triplethreat]

View: https://twitter.com/pff/status/899998598565433344

 

[godfather]

The decision will have more to do with protecting Kizer than anything to do Osweiler.

Osweiler blows. I don't think anyone (almost anyone), including the Browns, are going to start Osweiler because they actually think he's good, or the best guy for the job.

If Kizer is ready, start him. If not, then throw Osweiler's ass to the wolves for now.

 

[Triplethreat]

The decision will have more to do with protecting Kizer than anything to do Osweiler.

Osweiler blows. I don't think anyone (almost anyone), including the Browns, are going to start Osweiler because they actually think he's good, or the best guy for the job.

If Kizer is ready, start him. If not, then throw Osweiler's ass to the wolves for now.

We have to see what we have this year no matter what.

What if Kizer "isn't ready" for the whole year?

A 16 game sample size would be much more beneficial to us then a 10 game sample.

The 2018 draft is the biggest draft yet.

 

[The Oi]

@Randolphkeys

 

[Randolphkeys]

@Randolphkeys

Fans can recognize what Kizer still needs to work on, highlighted by coaches, Jon Gruden last night, and the more credible journalists. The other option is to cling to an "I'm smarter than the coaches" stance that has looked ugly for a long, long time.

 

[Ohio]

Fans can recognize what Kizer still needs to work on, highlighted by coaches, Jon Gruden last night, and the more credible journalists. The other option is to cling to an "I'm smarter than the coaches" stance that has looked ugly for a long, long time.

Has it, though?

Kizer is the best QB on this team. If Brock is named the starter, this QB "competition" was a sham, and frankly Hue should lose credibility for it. This team would be lucky to win any games with Brock playing QB. We don't know where Kizer can take us but we do know he's better based on what we've seen, admittedly in limited action. What we do know is that Brock Osweiler fucking sucks and any game he starts will almost certainly be a loss.

 

[BooyaCS]

The decision will have more to do with protecting Kizer than anything to do Osweiler.

Osweiler blows. I don't think anyone (almost anyone), including the Browns, are going to start Osweiler because they actually think he's good, or the best guy for the job.

If Kizer is ready, start him. If not, then throw Osweiler's ass to the wolves for now.

You don't get ready by sitting on the bench and not playing. Players usually develop at their position the more live game reps they get. In Baseball players usually go through a minor league system where they can play and work on things.

If you sit a QB you are only mentally preparing them, however they still won't be able to read the defense or see the changes on the line. The game is different from the field view than it is from the 11 on 11 game film.

This is why if you have a young QB that isn't completely inept (Johnny Manziel) then you start them and give them the protection schemes they need to keep them successful. Usually it takes 2-3 years for an NFL QB to be able to run the entire playbook. Even Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh didn't run the entire offense his first season. They leaned on a good offensive line and solid running game.

Every rookie is going to have their WTF moments (even first year starters). If he can limit the turn overs and use the RBs as safety valves the Offensive line should be good enough to start a rookie.

I say start him. With 2 first round picks next year we need to know if we should trade up (or if 1 of us or houston is bad enough) to pick Darnold or Allen at the top of the draft.