Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[tristan+kyrie=$]

I just cannot stomach seeing Brock start week 1....yuck

 

[MirORich]

We're running the basic simplified version of the offense and the opposition is running the basic versions of their defenses, not wanting to put their full array of stunts, shifts, some drops, and blitzes on film for their early season opposition.

Kizer is doing some good things but he's also not ready yet for the pace, audibles, shifts, etc of the regular season.

I honestly think another 6-8 weeks of studying film, continuing to take mental reps, and watching the speed and intensity of the regular season games can help him.

If after 4-6 games Brock O is playing awful, you make the change, put in a more prepared Kizer, and still get him 10-12 games of experience and real game tape/results for us to evaluate.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Has it, though?

Kizer is the best QB on this team. If Brock is named the starter, this QB "competition" was a sham, and frankly Hue should lose credibility for it. This team would be lucky to win any games with Brock playing QB. We don't know where Kizer can take us but we do know he's better based on what we've seen, admittedly in limited action. What we do know is that Brock Osweiler fucking sucks and any game he starts will almost certainly be a loss.

The most talented player isn't always the most prepared player, but that's just how coaches think. The second preseason game saw Kizer get handed more responsibility, and the results were not always encouraging. We will all see for ourselves soon, I don't disagree on talent. I just hope everyone understands why the likely outcome will be 4-9 weeks of Osweiler.

 

[Chris]

We're running the basic simplified version of the offense and the opposition is running the basic versions of their defenses, not wanting to put their full array of stunts, shifts, some drops, and blitzes on film for their early season opposition.

Kizer is doing some good things but he's also not ready yet for the pace, audibles, shifts, etc of the regular season.

I honestly think another 6-8 weeks of studying film, continuing to take mental reps, and watching the speed and intensity of the regular season games can help him.

If after 4-6 games Brock O is playing awful, you make the change, put in a more prepared Kizer, and still get him 10-12 games of experience and real game tape/results for us to evaluate.

6-8 weeks?

Then be prepared to have no fucking clue about whether to select a QB in 2018 or not.

 

[Triplethreat]

The most talented player isn't always the most prepared player, but that's just how coaches think. The second preseason game saw Kizer get handed more responsibility, and the results were not always encouraging. We will all see for ourselves soon, I don't disagree on talent. I just hope everyone understands why the likely outcome will be 4-9 weeks of Osweiler.

It was pretty DAMN GOOD for a rookie. If he hit Njoku on that streak he's like 7-10 for 150 and a TD along with a rushing TD?

He held the ball a little, but it's going to happen with rookies. He's more than prepared to be able to start as a QB in the league, considering he's already better than a guy who started a year and a half for two playoff teams.

Giving him the reps will only help speed along his developmental curve.

 

[MirORich]

6-8 weeks?

Then be prepared to have no fucking clue about whether to select a QB in 2018 or not.

6-8 weeks from today. If a change was merited and made at that point, he would potentially start in double digit games.

10-12 games plus the entire 2017 offseason and training camp is more than enough for them to know what they have in Kizer. The idea that he NEEDS to start all 16 games so they can plan accordingly for the 2018 draft is nonsense

 

[Randolphkeys]

It was pretty DAMN GOOD for a rookie. If he hit Njoku on that streak he's like 7-10 for 150 and a TD along with a rushing TD?

He held the ball a little, but it's going to happen with rookies. He's more than prepared to be able to start as a QB in the league, considering he's already better than a guy who started a year and a half for two playoff teams.

Giving him the reps will only help speed along his developmental curve.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Reality is he struggled getting the team in and out of the huddle with the shifts Hue wants to use. He made bad decisions protecting himself. Doesn't get rid of the ball when he should and his pocket awareness took a step back last night. He would be sitting a lot of games this season with concussions if he played like that starting in week one. Good coaches see the move up from second team to first as a motivational carrot to correct young players mistakes, and we have seen good coaches do that in multiple sports.

 

[Pick6]

Everything I'm reading/hearing/talking about people with makes me think the decision is pretty damn close to 50/50. I personally think Hue will name Kizer the starter, but I can see both sides. Kizer's time will be sooner rather than later regardless.

 

[Chris]

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Reality is he struggled getting the team in and out of the huddle with the shifts Hue wants to use. He made bad decisions protecting himself. Doesn't get rid of the ball when he should and his pocket awareness took a step back last night. He would be sitting a lot of games this season with concussions if he played like that starting in week one. Good coaches see the move up from second team to first as a motivational carrot to correct young players mistakes, and we have seen good coaches do that in multiple sports.

All valid points.

Should we start talking about how Brock looked?

 

[Randolphkeys]

All valid points.

Should we start talking about how Brock looked?

Like shit... The type of shit who should be broken by week four due to the Browns tough opening schedule. Steelers in the opener followed by Ravens on the road for their opener is a FML way to start the season.

 

[Lee]

All valid points.

Should we start talking about how Brock looked?

1. So he threw an interception that didnt count because of luck on a penalty.
2. He was having trouble calling the plays in a timely fashion which we have caused several delay of games in a normal game.
3. He made a bad pass down field that if covered by a safety would have been intercepted.
4. He still struggles with the footwork when under center.
5. Also players still having a hard time understanding him in the huddle....this is important and needs fixed before he can start.

He did allot well though.

1. His arm is great, he was 3 inches from another long play down field.
2. he can throw an accurate ball while getting rush and take a shot.
3. Arm talent is superior
4. His legs are a serious weapon.
5. He for sure can take a hit
6. his fakes are great, almost Manning level, this is not being mentioned, but that is already pro+ level and is an underappreciated nuance of the game.

All in all he might need to wait to start because a few of the first lists need to be fixed before he can start. Getting better calling the plays in the huddle can be learned in practice and cant be on the fly type learning. I would also like to see him take more reps under center in practice before sending him out there. I dont expect that much over 50-60% of the play book to be available to him as a rookie, but right now i am betting he is closer to 25%-33% and that has to be fixed.

I am pleasantly surprised at this kid., Talent is there. Head is there. His desire to be a leader is there. I say give him 4 extra weeks of learning from practice and working with coaches. It really will make a big difference.

But i am excited.

 

[chrisrich91]

If you want to buy Kizer more time, play Kessler.

Brock Osweiler is absolute dog shit and playing him is a slap in the face to the team. Kizer has earned the job, but I completely understand if Hue wants to hold him off for a while.

If that's the case, let Kessler play. We already know he can keep his head above water and avoid mistakes based on 8 games last year. Brock is just flat out terrible and seems to be regressing.

Should have cut Brock's sorry ass like we originally intended after that trade and picked up a veteran mentor if this is the way we wanted to play things.

 

[Lee]

If you want to buy Kizer more time, play Kessler.

Brock Osweiler is absolute dog shit and playing him is a slap in the face to the team. Kizer has earned the job, but I completely understand if Hue wants to hold him off for a while.

If that's the case, let Kessler play. We already know he can keep his head above water and avoid mistakes based on 8 games last year. Brock is just flat out terrible and seems to be regressing.

Should have cut Brock's sorry ass like we originally intended after that trade and picked up a veteran mentor if this is the way we wanted to play things.

Hard to argue this but i think yesturday showed this might not happen.

At frist you see the 7 for 7 and think Hue would love Kessler's performance. But one thing we learned is Hue loves down field passing and all of Kessler's 7 passes were underneath and not downfield.

While Brock does pass the ball down field more, it has zero effect as it is almost off target.

If me, I would start kessler for a few games, but I feel Hue cant stand the dink and dunk and thus Brock gets the nod.

But i do agree with you if it was my decision.

 

[Ohio]

Brock averaged 4 yards per completion last night.

He might have arm strength but he can't throw the ball downfield any more effectively than Kessler.

I'd rather see Kessler start too, but I don't see anyway that happens at this point. He's pretty clearly 3rd on the depth chart.

But really, people are overthinking this. If Kizer wasn't the best QB on the team then I understand. But, he is. So start him.

 

[Lee]

Brock averaged 4 yards per completion last night.

He might have arm strength but he can't throw the ball downfield any more effectively than Kessler.

I'd rather see Kessler start too, but I don't see anyway that happens at this point. He's pretty clearly 3rd on the depth chart.

But really, people are overthinking this. If Kizer wasn't the best QB on the team then I understand. But, he is. So start him.

I dont think its over thinking, i think we dont see things being fans. I think that Hue has plan but isnt comfortable yet starting Kizer because of a few serious issues which can be fixed with learning. The huddle thing i am guessing will have to be fixed before he can start.

That said, there is a large part of me that just wants to throw him in as a starter and see what he can do, but I dont see that happening just yet.