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Cleveland Indians 2018-2019 Offseason Outlook

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Explain, please. Not well versed in our farm system.

The Indians are FLUSH with young position prospects pretty much all over the diamond.

Shortstop prospects like Brayan Rocchio (18), Aaron Bracho (17), Tyler Freeman (19) and Gabriel Rodriguez (17) could be above average MLB players, Rodriguez and Freeman have superstar ceiling.

Freeman is like a mini Alex Bregman. Plus plus hit tool and makeup, Rodriguez is a freak at age 17.

Nolan Jones at a corner infield position has All-Star potential. Power to all fields, still a ? whether or not he stays at 3B. I do believe he can.

George Valera has the chance to be an elite OF prospect, Bo Naylor projects as a plus hitter wherever he winds up on the field.


Very bullish on their bevy of young position player talent.
 
Same. Also, if we are primed to have “new era” in 2021, should we not be considering trading him next offseason or this deadline to maximize our value?
Baseball isn’t like basketball, 1 player won’t make or break this team.

We have almost everyone, outside of Otero, Martin and Hanley under team control for next season. I think next season they will be a better roster and I will say we need to go for broke rather than trade guys (lindor, Bauer, Kluber etc). Normally I would say need to go retool and get younger, but I think we can chance one more year with this crew.

I also think our farm system is really good and guys like Mercado, Clement and others showed up this spring, while we had some good season from our AA position guys, with the addition of Johnson this offseason, its possible we will have a log jam of OFs trying to make this roster next season. Krieger, who had a good year at AA, is trying to make his name known as an utility guy playing all the OF, 2B and 3B. Calica and Marabell may not be smart to count out as well down there.

Though this year into next season I feel if you have a chance to get to Lake County Captains games, do so, since they will have a ton of young talent. I think by next season, half of our top 30 prospects will be there playing! Good chance to check out the future.
 
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We have almost everyone, outside of Otero, Martin and Hanley under team control for next season. I think next season they will be a better roster and I will say we need to go for broke rather than trade guys (lindor, Bauer, Kluber etc). Normally I would say need to go retool and get younger, but I think we can chance one more year with this crew.

We need to trade one pitcher, we have such a good rotation I think having Bieber off the playoff rotation is a waste, see which pitcher of our starters brings us the most. Heck, might still happen through the year.

Other than that, I agree.
 
We need to trade one pitcher, we have such a good rotation I think having Bieber off the playoff rotation is a waste, see which pitcher of our starters brings us the most. Heck, might still happen through the year.

Other than that, I agree.

This is why I would look into moving Bauer. The Indians do have quite an impressive amount of SP talent
 
This is why I would look into moving Bauer. The Indians do have quite an impressive amount of SP talent

Bauer is an asshat, he might be the one you move to improve clubhouse and even out the team. Give me one really good outfield or 3B bat, have no clue who though.
 
The Indians are FLUSH with young position prospects pretty much all over the diamond.

Shortstop prospects like Brayan Rocchio (18), Aaron Bracho (17), Tyler Freeman (19) and Gabriel Rodriguez (17) could be above average MLB players, Rodriguez and Freeman have superstar ceiling.

Freeman is like a mini Alex Bregman. Plus plus hit tool and makeup, Rodriguez is a freak at age 17.

Nolan Jones at a corner infield position has All-Star potential. Power to all fields, still a ? whether or not he stays at 3B. I do believe he can.

George Valera has the chance to be an elite OF prospect, Bo Naylor projects as a plus hitter wherever he winds up on the field.


Very bullish on their bevy of young position player talent.

Follow up question, with Bauer most likely gone after this year. Kluber is TBD on whether he’ll be back or not. We’ll then be moving forward with Carlos, Clev and Bieber.

Do we have any other candidates in the minors that can make the leap Bieber did, seemingly out of nowhere? I know McKenzie is projected to be our top SP prospect. Who else is there?
 
Follow up question, with Bauer most likely gone after this year. Kluber is TBD on whether he’ll be back or not. We’ll then be moving forward with Carlos, Clev and Bieber.

Do we have any other candidates in the minors that can make the leap Bieber did, seemingly out of nowhere? I know McKenzie is projected to be our top SP prospect. Who else is there?

Henteges, McKenzie, Hankins, Oviedo, and Torres all project to be TOR-MOR starters. Henteges might be ready to do it this year.
 
This is why I would look into moving Bauer. The Indians do have quite an impressive amount of SP talent

I actually just question who will be our 5th starter if we do move Bauer next season. McKenzie just hasn't stayed healthy, so I am not ruling out that he could join the club next season, but the last two injuries, pushed back his timetable. Anderson could get back to his old form, he could end up being our 5th starter. I am not against moving Kluber/Bauer next season, but its nice to know, we got way younger this season and have guys who could develop this year and become MLB everyday guys. I also feel our Bullpen will solidify this season and we will be way better than last year and we got control of pretty much all of them next season.
 
Henteges, McKenzie, Hankins, Oviedo, and Torres all project to be TOR-MOR starters

Some feel Hentges will be a bullpen arm, next year we have guys like Anderson, Plutko etc, who could take a spot as well. Eli Morgan is a possible sleeper as well in future. More of a control guy rather than hard thrower, but I have seen some really high ratings on his command and his changeup (65-70) from different scouts. Civale will see some time at AAA this year if he has a strong year, mixed reviews on what he might be if he makes it to the pros.
 
Here is my piece on Lindor......

If you own a baseball team and cannot figure out how to sign a generational player, who is 25 years old and plays a position where guys are typically good for a very, very, very long time......then just sell the team. That's it.

I stopped reading here.

(just kidding, I read the whole thing, but I should've stopped there. That's where you proved that you had no idea what you were talking about when it comes to baseball)

Let's assume Dolan has some amount of money he is unwilling to spend......let's just call it $110 million a year for this exercise.

Let's not. This year we're already at $119 million.

In 2018, we were at $142 million. In 2017, we were at $131 million.

There isn't some stupid "hard limit" that we can't go over. Everything's flexible and depends on a shit ton of variables. What income does the team have coming in? What's the rate on return of each additional dollar spent?

Let's also assume we are slated to make Lindor the highest paid player at a $400 million extension number.

Again, what are you talking about? 400 million over how many years? That's kind of a giant, important detail you left out. Without it, you again, sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

Using Trout's bonus as a baseline, a small market team possibly wants to front load the contract to lessen the per year sting.

The LOS ANGELES ANGELS are a "small market team"? Okay buddy.

I'm not a baseball cap guy

No shit. Yet here we are, with you writing a giant post about money in baseball. If you don't know anything about financials in baseball, why do you hold such strong opinions on the matter? A wise individual wouldn't have strong opinions on a topic they know little about. Fools on the other hand...

so someone can tell me if this isn't possible......but....

Extend Lindor, 10 years, $400 million.......$50 million signing bonus (can it be more?)......so $35 million a year base.

That leaves $75 million a year to build out a roster......which given our track record in developing pitching, seems fine.

That's not how financials work--at all. Just because you paid money up front as a "signing bonus" doesn't mean you're not going to track it over the length of time you have the asset. And again, setting a hard limit on what the "rest of the roster" would cost is asinine.

what am I missing here?

A metric shit ton. Until the MLB gets either a hard cap (like the NFL--the most competitive league around) or is more strict on their soft cap (like the NBA) there is going to be an absurd amount of economic disparity between clubs. Luckily, the current CBA is up in 2021.
 
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Any trade of Bauer or Kluber has to include a higher minor league level starter that could replace him if not this year then next.
I would love to deal with the Dodgers, they have so much talent...If we could come out of a Dodger deal with Verdugo and Dustin May as cornerstones of the trade with maybe a decent veteran that could contribute we would have to consider that. May was really good this spring and I don't think Verdugo blew anyone away so
it is what it is. Padres as well have really good prospect to build a deal.
 
Follow up question, with Bauer most likely gone after this year. Kluber is TBD on whether he’ll be back or not. We’ll then be moving forward with Carlos, Clev and Bieber.

Do we have any other candidates in the minors that can make the leap Bieber did, seemingly out of nowhere? I know McKenzie is projected to be our top SP prospect. Who else is there?

Bauer has one more year of team control, Kluber two.

I think you dangle one and get what you can.

The rest:
Clev (23)
Cookie (24)
Bieber (25)

Strong core. You don't know what McKenzie is going to be, he can't stay healthy. There isn't much at the higher levels. Adam Plutko can be a rotation piece if he can keep the ball in the yard. Hentges was added to the 40-man, but I agree with many that he's likely a pen arm.

Beyond that, its hoping on young talent:

Luis Oviedo, Ethan Hankins and Lenny Torres are likely your next three. All at the lowest levels.

Oviedo is likely the safest of the bunch, he could be special. Hankins is a hard thrower with a huge ceiling, but a pretty low floor.


Eli Morgan is an undersized righty, absurd changeup but doesn't offer much else.

Aaron Civale is a hefty righty, maybe projects to the pen at some point where his stuff can play up.


Jean Carlos Mejia and Carlos Vargas are both super young guys who could emerge this year. They drafted Cody Morris last year out of South Carolina who hasn't debuted yet, but some like as well.
 
Bauer is an asshat, he might be the one you move to improve clubhouse and even out the team. Give me one really good outfield or 3B bat, have no clue who though.

Bauer actually seems to be really well liked within in the team, so you better make sure we’re getting some really talented players in return.
 
Bauer actually seems to be really well liked within in the team, so you better make sure we’re getting some really talented players in return.

He's gotten especially close to Clevinger.
 

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