That's fine, he just doesn't need to act insufferable.
Your opinion. Blunt does not always equate to insufferable. It appears that's just the way you react to someone responding to you and completely dismantling your shit take.
What I said was fairly innocuous.
Bullshit. "If you own a baseball team and cannot figure out how to sign a generational player ...then just sell the team. That's it." is not "fairly innocuous." Don't come in here with a strong, vocal opinion then react like you're completely innocent when someone calls you out.
It was... "someone state their case on why you don't just sign Lindor and then shuffle the roster around him?"
Please, please stop lying. We can't have a discussion if you refuse to acknowledge the truth. It was "If you own a baseball team and cannot figure out how to sign a generational player ...then just sell the team. That's it." Stop being disingenuous.
..... he instead chose to take a bunch of stuff out of context, be incredibly condescending and not state anything remotely coherent to refute why that might be a bad idea.
I responded to literally every word you said, in order, with nothing taken out of context. Again, cut the bullshit. If you take a response your awful, uneducated take as "condescending" then that's on you. You even admitted you don't know what you're talking about, so that's coming from you--not just me. Everything I'm saying is coherent and on point. You assertion that an MLB owner in a small market should "just sell the team" if he isn't willing to shell out $400 million and commit his team to one player for a DECADE is an awful take, and we're explaining to you why that is. Sorry it isn't as soft and delicate as you'd like.
To the point above.....isn't the difference between Lindor and guys like Machado / Harper that he has both top 10 offensive and defensive WAR potential? That is incredibly rare. There's an argument to be made that he could become the most complete player in baseball and conservatively, one of the top 3......and he's just entering his prime. That is a completely different player to extend huge dollars to. Machado and Harper both provide offensive value only....Machado especially has declined defensively.
Nobody here will disagree with you that Lindor is an amazing talent. I don't think there's an argument to be made that he could become the most complete player in baseball--Mike Trout holds that title by a large margin. However, saying that Frankie could be the second best player in baseball? There's definitely merit there. You're also selling Machado short. The guy, as a 3B, has posted 2dWAR seasons. He's really, really good defensively.
I get the economics are difficult
Do you? Because, opening with an absolute like "If you own a baseball team and cannot figure out how to sign a generational player ...then just sell the team. That's it." and then later saying "I get the economics are difficult" are two contrary statements.
my comments were on the heels of how do the Indians attract fans and generate more revenue.
Again, bullshit. Your comments were that this owner needs to sell the team if he doesn't re-sign Lindor. You were not coming at this from a constructive angle, asking questions and trying to generate discussion. You came at this like a hothead and now you're getting called out for it.
If you want to discuss how to attract more fans and generate more revenue, go for it--but that's not the discussion you brought up. For the record, it's going to be hard to bring in more fans than having a multi-year WS contender with multiple MVP candidates on the field and the best starting pitching in the history of baseball. In other parts of this forum I've explained that I think the economic environment of the Indians has shifted, and they can't rely on suburban families for the bulk of their attendance. Indians attendance will increase as the downtown population increases--as long as the product on the field and the value proposition of the venue (both of which are elite in my opinion) remain high.
but I'd imagine, based on the last few years, that is has not by jettisoning Lindor......because the people you are trying to attract are not hardcore baseball fans....they're the people with families or fans of the team that passively watch on TV. They likely don't recognize 90+% of the players if asked...... And doing what is described above.....retaining pitching, letting stars or popular players walk, while fielding a competitive team doesn't seem like it is all that attractive to fans based on gate attendance.
I can't even understand the beginning of this chunk. But, those people you describe don't have an impact on gate attendance. Why is attendance still low now?
If you want to discuss the marketability of MLB players, MLB sucks at it--and it's something they need to improve on. Mike Trout could be the best baseball player ever--and most casual fans don't even know who he is. That's embarrassing.
With that said, it's also possible that signing Lindor makes winning at higher levels even less likely than the current roster construction, which should be weighed here
Wow, that's a complete 180 from "If you own a baseball team and cannot figure out how to sign a generational player ...then just sell the team. That's it." Perhaps everyone responding to you isn't worthless, out of context, etc?
I just think the organization needs to more carefully choose their words publicly.
Dolan should. Saying "the organization" makes it sound like the whole organization makes these mistakes, which is untrue. The front office has been great. Tito has been great. Even our social media has been great.
"Enjoy him. We control him for three more years. Enjoy him and then we'll see what happens." I mean, that is your rallying cry for people you are trying to draw in to the revenue stream "come see this guy while you still can?". I think fans are open to the team logically laying out how they feel their dollars are best spent and saying "this is our formula, it is what has allowed us to remain competitive with less resources"....instead of making comments about which players may not be here.....ones he knows the media are going to run with.
Nobody here is defending Dolan's statement. The optics are awful. But, I think "OMG they're not going to re-sign Lindor. THIS is why I don't go to Indians games!!!" is 100% bullshit. If you haven't shown up over this stretch of baseball, you never will. We've been a WS contender and a perennial playoff team with one of the best, most affordable venues around. The fans that haven't shown up never will.
The Indians just may be in a situation where the attendance is what it is and nothing will change it........and as an organization, they need to focus solely on maximizing their dollar spend......and not necessarily on revenue generation from the gate......or possibly there is some middle ground.
That seems like a reasonable take. But, I'd contend that nothing "within their control" will change it. If you have a larger urban population, and more popularity of baseball as a sport due to MLB marketing the sport better, you should see an uptick in attendance. Furthermore, if MLB adopts a new CBA that allows mid and small market teams to compete financially with the behemoths, that could completely change the game.
