Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Nathan S]

Obviously this could just be coach speak, but one of Sexton's assistant coaches mentioned that he's a much better passer than he gets credit for, largely because Alabama didn't really ask him to be a passer. His job was to score. Plus, it seems like his teammates were hot garbage.

I'll believe it when I see it...

In AAU play, for example, he averaged a record breaking 31.7 points per game (60% true shooting) but only 1.1 assists per game (0.4 ast/TO ratio). That's a crazy degree of ball-hoggery, no matter how bad his teammates sucked. He did a better job mixing in some playmaking in college, but obviously not to the same degree as the typical lottery PG.

He doesn't seem like an incorrigibly selfish personality, but he's clearly a score first ask questions later kind of guy on the basketball court, and that's something that will have to change if he's going to be a real star someday.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

largely because Alabama didn't really ask him to be a passer. His job was to score.

Lucky for him, our dimensional and forward-thinking coach has the same philosophy; I reckon they'll have their own "Agressive" handshake going on in timeouts.

Plus, it seems like his teammates were hot garbage.

Oh yeah, his adjustment will be painless.

 

[jyan_osu]

Well, maybe this commercial will come true for Collin....

 

[RDriesen]

I'll believe it when I see it...

In AAU play, for example, he averaged a record breaking 31.7 points per game (60% true shooting) but only 1.1 assists per game (0.4 ast/TO ratio). That's a crazy degree of ball-hoggery, no matter how bad his teammates sucked. He did a better job mixing in some playmaking in college, but obviously not to the same degree as the typical lottery PG.

He doesn't seem like an incorrigibly selfish personality, but he's clearly a score first ask questions later kind of guy on the basketball court, and that's something that will have to change if he's going to be a real star someday.

A counter to that.

• Named FIBA U17 World Championship MVP and to All-Tournament Team after he paced USA with 17 ppg., 4.16 apg. and 4.0 rpg. off the bench; scored 16 points and added eight assists in gold medal win over Turkey.
• Played 23 minutes and scored seven points, with a team-best eight assists and four steals in the 2017 Nike Hoop Summit.

https://www.usab.com/basketball/players/mens/s/sexton-collin.aspx

So, he has shown he can share the ball with better teammates.

 

[Alec]

Been watching some Bama tape.

Sexton has a nice little floater. He’s not reliant on his athleticism to finish at all.

He’s pretty good at finding the open man once the defense rotates to help. His passes aren’t super crisp (yet?) but they get there.

I’m becoming increasingly optimistic.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

We can play revisionist history of the Chris Grant era all day, but the Cavs found themselves in a position where Irving and Dion already had so many overlapping skills they hated each other.

As I recall, some folks were arguing that Dion and Kyrie were perfectly suited to become a dual combo-guard back court, and were pointing to the Bledsoe/Dragic combo in Phoenix as evidence of how that was the direction in which the league was moving, and where the Cavs should go.

Obviously...didn't turn out that way.

 

[Nathan S]

A counter to that.

• Named FIBA U17 World Championship MVP and to All-Tournament Team after he paced USA with 17 ppg., 4.16 apg. and 4.0 rpg. off the bench; scored 16 points and added eight assists in gold medal win over Turkey.
• Played 23 minutes and scored seven points, with a team-best eight assists and four steals in the 2017 Nike Hoop Summit.

https://www.usab.com/basketball/players/mens/s/sexton-collin.aspx

So, he has shown he can share the ball with better teammates.

It's a positive sign, but the sample size here is small (6 games) so I'm tempering my expectations. I will be absolutely thrilled if he proves me wrong and looks like a real point guard when surrounded by talented NBA scorers.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It's a positive sign, but the sample size here is small (6 games) so I'm tempering my expectations. I will be absolutely thrilled if he proves me wrong and looks like a real point guard when surrounded by talented NBA scorers.

Well, if LBJ is still here and Sexton acts like a ball hog, I think he'll be set straight rather quickly.

 

[Nathan S]

Well, if LBJ is still here and Sexton acts like a ball hog, I think he'll be set straight rather quickly.

I think he'll get good guidance from LeBron (if LeBron stays), but not every player can easily blend scoring and playmaking.

With the best offensive players, you don't know until the last instant whether they're going to shoot or pass, or to whom they're going to pass (Doncic and to a slightly lesser extent Young looked very promising in this regard). With guys like Sexton, even watching them on TV you start to see very quickly when they're in "scoring mode" and when they're in "passing mode." That makes them easier to defend, especially for NBA defenses that typically scout out opposing players very carefully.

 

[Randolphkeys]

As I recall, some folks were arguing that Dion and Kyrie were perfectly suited to become a dual combo-guard back court, and were pointing to the Bledsoe/Dragic combo in Phoenix as evidence of how that was the direction in which the league was moving, and where the Cavs should go.

Obviously...didn't turn out that way.

Some teams did go that way, specifically Portland and Charlotte, when Lin was healthy. The problem comes from length and defensive effort. Multiple perimeter players who can initiate the offense is definitely the direction the league went, but the best have LeBron or Draymond doing it from a forward position as well as guard.

 

[Futuredome]

Sexton and Lebron are horrible together at this point in their careers. He just isn't worth keeping with James at this point. A 20 year old Lebron? Sure let them develop and see what happens. But that is not where we are at right now. Lebron would absolutely tell Dan/Koby to trade that guy. Period.

 

[Tornicade]

People seem to be trating this like a top 5 pick.
It wasn't.
Cavs got a 2 way player who can have impact as a freshman.

some are rather dismissive of his ability to play in transition. yet I see him turning regular plays into transition frequently.

This is a 19 year old kid of course he is gonna have aspect of his game that needs improved.

personally im not going to question the the guys aptitude to improve his game as someone who turned himself from a nobody to a 5 star prospect.

Cavs needed a scoring guard who can defend on the switch. That's exactly what we got.

He isn't Kyrie Irving. there wasn't a Kyrie Irving in the draft but he does have a lot of potential and suits the teams needs with or without LeBron.

Im okay with this pick. how his game evolves in the NBA will be whatever it is

 

[Jack Brickman]

As I recall, some folks were arguing that Dion and Kyrie were perfectly suited to become a dual combo-guard back court, and were pointing to the Bledsoe/Dragic combo in Phoenix as evidence of how that was the direction in which the league was moving, and where the Cavs should go.

Obviously...didn't turn out that way.

I think the main issue there was that Kyrie is a prick and Dion is stupid.

 

[Sportsguy5]

You need 2 way players against GSW.

 

[Tornicade]

Sexton and Lebron are horrible together at this point in their careers. He just isn't worth keeping with James at this point. A 20 year old Lebron? Sure let them develop and see what happens. But that is not where we are at right now. Lebron would absolutely tell Dan/Koby to trade that guy. Period.

horrible how?
Lebron essentially runs point on any team he is on. now he has a guy who can create and has a mid range game which opens up things for LeBron.

This obsession with everyone surrounding LeBron needing to shoot 42% three has grown absurd and tiresome.

Cavs need someone who can come out and grab the attention of the defense

I also don't see how Sexton makes the team worse.