Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Cavatt]

I'm not sure about that at all and I think people severely under rate that portion of Tony Parker's game. I believe Parker being part of the first wave of "new era" Euro players in the late 90's at the start of his career and Spurs as an entity caused it to be under rated over the course of his career. (It took about 3 years for the Euro players to be scouted accurately during that period)

I mean at his peak the per 36's for an 8 year stretch show Parker was good for between 18-22pts (22 pts per would have been top 20 in 2018 and the same as Kemba) 6-7ast and 3rbs on 50% fg and TS% in the high 50's (while only shooting 30% from 3) and never taking more than 17 shots per game. This was on top of playing solid defense and being a huge part of multiple championship teams, even getting a finals mvp in 2007 where he averaged 24 a game in the series...

I think those expecting Sexton to start dropping more than 24 a game consistently after a couple years are in for a disappointment (there are on average only 7-8 players in the league that hit this every year) and if a Tony Parker like career as a ceiling is not something people would be happy with in the end that strikes me as kind of nuts

Sexton is a very downhill player, if he doesn't improve the jumper from range, his shoot selection and basketball IQ teams are just going to sag off him to dare him to shoot. With these kinds of flaws I don't see elite scoring potential, I see tools to be in the tier just below elite regarding scoring (i consider elite to be 26 or higher as the per game average).

I would be psyched for him to be Tony Parker with a better jumpshot. Tony had ridiculous efficiency as a guard. His finishing ability circa 2007 was unbelievable. I think 20ppg or just slightly higher is where Sexton will be in terms of averages, but he will have a lot of 30pt games.

 

[Nathan S]

In particular, his pass from the pick and roll over the defense is a pass I have never seen Kyrie make and is one that usually only a bigger guy can make. Kyrie rarely if ever passed out of the pick and roll. He was great at attacking a big, but his roll man was continuously ignored. His kicks to the corner are the thing that infuriated me most about Kyrie too. Wide open in the corner, Kyrie takes on 3 guys at the rim.

I think his game fits way better with Lebron than people think it does.

I'm glad he made the passes (displaying good unselfishness), but even his two pick and roll passes in that video were very low degree of difficulty. Sexton and Carter going against Trae Young and MJ Walker (a 6'5" scrub) should be (and was) a leisurely walk in the park.

I don't think Sexton realistically projects to be a good pick and roll passer against the longer, smarter defenders he'll face on a nightly basis in the NBA, but hopefully he can change my mind.

 

[Cavatt]

I'm glad he made the passes (displaying good unselfishness), but even his two pick and roll passes in that video were very low degree of difficulty. Sexton and Carter going against Trae Young and MJ Walker (a 6'5" scrub) should be (and was) a leisurely walk in the park.

I don't think Sexton realistically projects to be a good pick and roll passer against the longer, smarter defenders he'll face on a nightly basis in the NBA, but hopefully he can change my mind.

That is true of every single aspect of the NBA though. Every single thing is harder.

 

[NobodyImportant]

I'm not sure about that at all and I think people severely under rate that portion of Tony Parker's game. I believe Parker being part of the first wave of "new era" Euro players in the late 90's at the start of his career and Spurs as an entity caused it to be under rated over the course of his career. (It took about 3 years for the Euro players to be scouted accurately during that period)

I mean at his peak the per 36's for an 8 year stretch show Parker was good for between 18-22pts (22 pts per would have been top 20 in 2018 and the same as Kemba) 6-7ast and 3rbs on 50% fg and TS% in the high 50's (while only shooting 30% from 3) and never taking more than 17 shots per game. This was on top of playing solid defense and being a huge part of multiple championship teams, even getting a finals mvp in 2007 where he averaged 24 a game in the series...

I think those expecting Sexton to start dropping more than 24 a game consistently after a couple years are in for a disappointment (there are on average only 7-8 players in the league that hit this every year) and if a Tony Parker like career as a ceiling is not something people would be happy with in the end that strikes me as kind of nuts

Sexton is a very downhill player, if he doesn't improve the jumper from range, his shoot selection and basketball IQ teams are just going to sag off him to dare him to shoot. With these kinds of flaws I don't see elite scoring potential, I see tools to be in the tier just below elite regarding scoring (i consider elite to be 26 or higher as the per game average).

This happens all the time with the fanbase. Hell, Dion was compared to Dwade coming into the league. That's where Cavs fans dreamed he could reach. So of course saying Sexton's ceiling is "only" to the level of a Tony Parker deflates some of the hopes and pipe dreams of the fans and incites a defense. I see Sexton as more of a 15ppg 5apg player on moderate efficiency. He's just too small to not be able to regularly knock down the 3 and average 20+ppg. I mean if Lebron leaves, someone has to score points. So maybe he'll be the proverbial 'looter in a riot' , but his efficiency will suffer and the 20ppg will be meaningless. Like 02-03 Ricky Davis. Or Eric Bledsoe on the Suns before this season. I predict his career arc will be similar to someone like Brandon Knight, but I'd love to be wrong.

 

[Nathan S]

That is true of every single aspect of the NBA though. Every single thing is harder.

Sure, that's why the bar is set so high for college prospects. If a prospect's going to be a good pick and roll passer (or 3-point shooter, or rebounder, or slasher, etc, etc) at the NBA level, he should be among the very best college players at that particular skill.

I don't think Sexton demonstrated that level of aptitude as a passer. I thought he was just average relative to the typical college freshman point guard, which suggests that he'll most likely be among the worst passing NBA point guards next year. Doesn't mean he can't improve, but I think his floor is pretty low in that area.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Young Bull's jumpshot is still a work in progress, his court vision and ability to set up shots are definitely a work in progress. Comparing him to Tony Parker in his prime, who always shot about 50% from the field as a point guard, seems like lofty expectations. Who knows what he can become down the line, but I believe the Cavs were most impressed with what he has between his ears and his work ethic. Whatever his ceiling is going to be, there's a good chance he is going to reach that ceiling.

 

[Mavaliersfan]

Sure, that's why the bar is set so high for college prospects. If a prospect's going to be a good pick and roll passer (or 3-point shooter, or rebounder, or slasher, etc, etc) at the NBA level, he should be among the very best college players at that particular skill.

I don't think Sexton demonstrated that level of aptitude as a passer. I thought he was just average relative to the typical college freshman point guard, which suggests that he'll most likely be among the worst passing NBA point guards next year. Doesn't mean he can't improve, but I think his floor is pretty low in that area.

Who did he have to pass to?

 

[Cavatt]

Young Bull's jumpshot is still a work in progress, his court vision and ability to set up shots are definitely a work in progress. Comparing him to Tony Parker in his prime, who always shot about 50% from the field as a point guard, seems like lofty expectations. Who knows what he can become down the line, but I believe the Cavs were most impressed with what he has between his ears and his work ethic. Whatever his ceiling is going to be, there's a good chance he is going to reach that ceiling.

This is something I think we can all agree with.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Young Bull's jumpshot is still a work in progress, his court vision and ability to set up shots are definitely a work in progress. Comparing him to Tony Parker in his prime, who always shot about 50% from the field as a point guard, seems like lofty expectations. Who knows what he can become down the line, but I believe the Cavs were most impressed with what he has between his ears and his work ethic. Whatever his ceiling is going to be, there's a good chance he is going to reach that ceiling.

Yeah, I don't really see Parker comparisons at all. Watching his college highlights, he seems a lot more like Derrick Rose, albeit Derrick Rose with mental toughness.

The John Wall comparisons aren't bad either. I'm assuming that, if Wall had been on a shit college team and had to look for his own shot constantly, he'd have looked a lot like Sexton did at Alabama.

 

[Cavatt]

Yeah, I don't really see Parker comparisons at all. Watching his college highlights, he seems a lot more like Derrick Rose, albeit Derrick Rose with mental toughness.

The John Wall comparisons aren't bad either. I'm assuming that, if Wall had been on a shit college team and had to look for his own shot constantly, he'd have looked a lot like Sexton did at Alabama.

If you watch his highschool video and anytime he has good teammates. (high school team was very good) he makes the right passes. It has a lot to do with his team mates. Is he seriously going to freeze out Lebron and Love? It seems so unlikely. Kyrie was pretty ballsy to do that and it led to a lot of internal strife. Sexton isn't like that. he is not going to butt heads with Lue, he is going to do whatever he says.

 

[Nathan S]

If you watch his highschool video and anytime he has good teammates. (high school team was very good) he makes the right passes. It has a lot to do with his team mates. Is he seriously going to freeze out Lebron and Love? It seems so unlikely. Kyrie was pretty ballsy to do that and it led to a lot of internal strife. Sexton isn't like that. he is not going to butt heads with Lue, he is going to do whatever he says.

Big picture though, he wasn't an outstanding passer at the high school level either (2.9 assists per game). His mediocre assist/TO numbers at Alabama aren't an outlier; he's always been a very score-first point guard. The safe bet is that he'll continue to play that way at the NBA level.

 

[mds]

So, it's length more than girth? @JMoneyYourHoney

Thats what I tell my girlfriend.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Big picture though, he wasn't an outstanding passer at the high school level either (2.9 assists per game). His mediocre assist/TO numbers at Alabama aren't an outlier; he's always been a very score-first point guard. The safe bet is that he'll continue to play that way at the NBA level.

If we were to go into a rebuild this year, I'd try to build around him by finding high-IQ guys who are good passers. Granted, that's what we should be doing anyway (tired of stupid players on this team), but I think you need to focus on finding guys who will keep the ball moving.

 

[kentuckyeddie]

I think we can say who is compared to who but it all determines what system you are in and how they use you. I still think Dion waiters could reach D-Wade status but thats not how they use him. I really dont think Isiah Thomas was that good either. Boston even makes nobodies look good because of the system.

 

[TitleTown]

I still think Dion waiters could reach D-Wade status but thats not how they use him.

Huh????

I don't care what type of system you put Dion in, he will never reach D-Wade levels of play. NEVER.