Darius Kinnard Garland

[ryanf]

ESPN must have been given the memo to pump the Garland to SA rumors because projections around him getting traded abound in this article:
ESPN ROY article

Would a bunch of picks, Johnson, and a couple odds and ends be worth it to refill the cupboard if we had high confidence Donovan is sticking around? We'd potentially get back to square one in terms of draft capital even if we’re still down Lauri and up Donovan.

i've been saying it before, vasell or johnson + collins + picks

 

[Smooth]

How is anything San Antonio can offer worth this:

 

[Rich]

How is anything San Antonio can offer worth this:

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Well, I guess because it's a new year, and if you search for people who are doing estimates of what 538 RAPTOR rankings would say (it's no longer around) for players this season, Garland is around 150 with a WAR of 2.

 

[Smooth]

Well, I guess because it's a new year, and if you search for people who are doing estimates of what 538 RAPTOR rankings would say (it's no longer around) for players this season, Garland is around 150 with a WAR of 2.

So one injury filled, inept coach filled, down year outweighs two good years, and Cavs should take pennies on the dollar in return?

 

[2 For The Brew]

So one injury filled, inept coach filled, down year outweighs two good years, and Cavs should take pennies on the dollar in return?

He’s declining. He played well until he was 22 and then went on the downslope. At 24 he’s washed up. Game over. No chance he ever regains his youthful form.

If you don’t think that way you’ll be classified with me and @bushwick_bill as unrealistic optimists. Terrible way to be as a fan and I’m ashamed of myself. The best fan is the fan that tears his team, coaches and front office to shreds so they know they’ll be held accountable (whatever the fuck that means).

Let’s buy high, sell low.
Darius Garland has to go.
Just play CPJ.

Iso chuckers suck.
Caris LeVert has to go.
Just play CPJ.

Can‘t stop a stop sign.
Georges Niang is too fat.
Just play Emoni.

Lights too bright for Jayy.
Summer League showed us the way.
Brobley for the win.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Garland has always been one of my favorite Cavs but the evidence is mounting a bit that he’s not the player I thought he was (yet) and he’s clearly WELL behind spida

The biggest thing for me by far is just how unreasonably bad he is in crunch time. Thats been persistent more than just this year and it’s so over the top he will frequently get pick pocketed in pivotal moments. It’s hard to believe how hard it is for me to trust a PG to handle the ball in crunch time but i pretty much only want Spida bringing the ball up in crunch time. Hell i trust LeVert more than Garland in that regard

Its either mental or he’s genuinely the least lucky player of all time in the last 3 minutes of a close game

 

[mAo_mAo]

Garland has always been one of my favorite Cavs but the evidence is mounting a bit that he’s not the player I thought he was (yet) and he’s clearly WELL behind spida

The biggest thing for me by far is just how unreasonably bad he is in crunch time. Thats been persistent more than just this year and it’s so over the top he will frequently get pick pocketed in pivotal moments. It’s hard to believe how hard it is for me to trust a PG to handle the ball in crunch time but i pretty much only want Spida bringing the ball up in crunch time. Hell i trust LeVert more than Garland in that regard

Its either mental or he’s genuinely the least lucky player of all time in the last 3 minutes of a close game

It is becoming too frequent that it is as if reading from a script.

Almost all of those are live ball turnovers which are backbreaking and momentum killers.

 

[Rich]

So one injury filled, inept coach filled, down year outweighs two good years, and Cavs should take pennies on the dollar in return?

It doesn't outweigh them. But it's more data. It matters.

And the coach was the same coach two years prior.

But more importantly, how much weight am I to give these catch-all stats? Because according to that one, Fred VanVleet has been a better player than Garland now for three years running.

And FVV ain't a guy I'm ignoring fit issues to pair up with Mitchell.

 

[Rich]

Really though @Smooth, even just taking that list at face value, if we were to list out all "small" guards (6'4 and under) these are the names: Steph Curry, Jrue Holiday, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Darius Garland, Damian Lillard, Trae Young, Jalen Brunson, Chris Paul, and Marcus Smart.

I'm not intrigued by pairing ANY of them with Mitchell, save one. And that's Holiday due to his low usage profile, solid shooting, and defense first attitude.


But if I could trade Garland for, say, Trae Young or FVV or even Lillard, that's still leaving us in the same place. Building the team around two small guards who are high usage players who bring little to the table as far as defensive versatility goes.

We've heard out there in the world that the Knicks aren't pursuing Mitchell these days because they have Brunson and I understand it completely and think they are correct. It's a bad pairing.


EDIT: on another note, the Cavs missed on pursuing LeVert at the deadline and not Derrick White.

Levert has been solid. White has, in many ways, been elite.

 

[DeeThree]

Man, I thought Don would stunt Evan's growth - didn't even think Garland.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

EDIT: on another note, the Cavs missed on pursuing LeVert at the deadline and not Derrick White.

Levert has been solid. White has, in many ways, been elite.

This hurts a lot. Love White's game, and it'll hold up over a long period of time.

 

[Peacedog]

Really though @Smooth, even just taking that list at face value, if we were to list out all "small" guards (6'4 and under) these are the names: Steph Curry, Jrue Holiday, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Darius Garland, Damian Lillard, Trae Young, Jalen Brunson, Chris Paul, and Marcus Smart.

I'm not intrigued by pairing ANY of them with Mitchell, save one. And that's Holiday due to his low usage profile, solid shooting, and defense first attitude.


But if I could trade Garland for, say, Trae Young or FVV or even Lillard, that's still leaving us in the same place. Building the team around two small guards who are high usage players who bring little to the table as far as defensive versatility goes.

We've heard out there in the world that the Knicks aren't pursuing Mitchell these days because they have Brunson and I understand it completely and think they are correct. It's a bad pairing.


EDIT: on another note, the Cavs missed on pursuing LeVert at the deadline and not Derrick White.

Levert has been solid. White has, in many ways, been elite.

Mitchell is not a small guard, which blows away your entire argument.

 

[Smooth]

It doesn't outweigh them. But it's more data. It matters.

And the coach was the same coach two years prior.

But more importantly, how much weight am I to give these catch-all stats? Because according to that one, Fred VanVleet has been a better player than Garland now for three years running.

And FVV ain't a guy I'm ignoring fit issues to pair up with Mitchell.

The point is if Garland was really as bad as some people claim, it would be hard to be that high up overall value stats... Same goes for if he was as bad of a fit as some claim with Mitchell, he also wouldn't be ranked as highly as well..

Sure, this year opens some further questions into Garland's individual development but people are also putting more value into this year, which has had some outside circumstances lead to the down year, and take less value than he's actually worth..

 

[Nphan]

Man, I thought Don would stunt Evan's growth - didn't even think Garland.

Garland stunt his own growth. He can't consistently stay healthy because his driving style is just plain stupid. The kid loves driving face first and that's how he keeps getting his face injured; thus delaying his own development as a player and overall team chemistry.He got poked in the eye and was out for a good number of games and then of course the jaw injury this season.

He needs to be a outside-in point guard instead of an inside-out point guard. He needs to shoot more 3s and long 2s, then drive as his 3rd thing instead of trying to drive as his primary means to score because he's not that good at it. He has a beautiful shooting form but does not like taking 3s as his primary way to score.

 

[RonG]

Pop would make Garland a hall of fame guy.