Darius Kinnard Garland

[Dr No]

DG would be pretty easy to unload. Call SA and they'll likely offer a first rounder.

It just doesn't seem like there's any way for him to take the next step here and nobody to show him how. He would blow up with Pop and Wemby and we would regret it just like what happened with Love.

This is quite possible, but even if he blows up in SA (or anywhere) I think we have to do it. Something is broken in the Cavs version of Garland.

 

[Jscc]

This is quite possible, but even if he blows up in SA (or anywhere) I think we have to do it. Something is broken in the Cavs version of Garland.

I just don't think you start tinkering with guys like that until you get another coach. If he doesn't improve under the next one, okay. Start making calls.

DG has had one NBA coach in JBB. Two if you count Beilein's half a season. He seems to have peaked with JBB [and now regressed?]. Now he needs another coach to help him get better.

 

[benchplayer]

This is quite possible, but even if he blows up in SA (or anywhere) I think we have to do it. Something is broken in the Cavs version of Garland.

The coaching staff.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I just don't think you start tinkering with guys like that until you get another coach. If he doesn't improve under the next one, okay. Start making calls.

DG has had one NBA coach in JBB. Two if you count Beilein's half a season. He seems to have peaked with JBB [and now regressed?]. Now he needs another coach to help him get better.

I don’t think you can do this as a franchise. I think it’s a “shit or get off the pot” moment this summer for DG.

If he plays under a new coach and remains the same player he has been this season, any trade value he has is going to disappear completely. He’s owed $137M in the last three years of his deal. Cavs won’t be able to trade him for much of anything at that point if he’s coming off two down years.

I think if you have doubts about him as a franchise, you likely have to bite the bullet and trade him this summer. Maybe he plays better elsewhere and you have to live with it, but if you’re unsure about him you could be tying yourself to him moving forward if things don’t improve.

I mentioned him before, but Tobis Harris would be the example. His contract became unreadable because he was overpaid and teams generally were unable to put together the salary without giving up more value in players in the process.

I’m a bit indifferent at this point because the coaching staff sucks and I have a lot of complaints about the FO. All I’m saying is that the team can’t go into the summer expecting to be able to trade Garland for something valuable if he doesn’t improve under a new coach. Cavs will either be stuck with him or wind up moving him for something not very good, like longer money or a couple of role players.

 

[godfather]

Garland gets too much of a pass. Even old Garland isn’t good enough to win with in the playoffs. He needed to get better, not regress into a player like Collin Sexton.

Keeping him shouldn’t be an option. Does anyone ever honestly think you can make a deep playoff run as our second best player?

He makes too many stupid decisions and doesn’t have the talent to overcome it.

 

[RonG]

Garland needs to average 8 to 10 3's attempted a game. Law of averages Darius .... I don't care if you miss 5 in a row, that next one is going in. That's your mentality. Go earn your check, go earn the respect.

sigh

 

[godfather]

I don’t think you can do this as a franchise. I think it’s a “shit or get off the pot” moment this summer for DG.

If he plays under a new coach and remains the same player he has been this season, any trade value he has is going to disappear completely. He’s owed $137M in the last three years of his deal. Cavs won’t be able to trade him for much of anything at that point if he’s coming off two down years.

I think if you have doubts about him as a franchise, you likely have to bite the bullet and trade him this summer. Maybe he plays better elsewhere and you have to live with it, but if you’re unsure about him you could be tying yourself to him moving forward if things don’t improve.

I mentioned him before, but Tobis Harris would be the example. His contract became unreadable because he was overpaid and teams generally were unable to put together the salary without giving up more value in players in the process.

I’m a bit indifferent at this point because the coaching staff sucks and I have a lot of complaints about the FO. All I’m saying is that the team can’t go into the summer expecting to be able to trade Garland for something valuable if he doesn’t improve under a new coach. Cavs will either be stuck with him or wind up moving him for something not very good, like longer money or a couple of role players.

I think his value decreases the longer you keep him.

I think he’d still have some value. He’s 24, still young, and teams still value youth. Make no mistake, we aren’t getting something great for him.

And he clearly doesn’t play well with Mitchell. I don’t think a new coach fixes the issue.

Garland’s game is completely dependent on being the solo ball dominate guard.

I think one eh year, wouldn’t completely tank his value, but maybe I’m wrong. His contract does hurt his value.

 

[inliner311]

Garland gets too much of a pass. Even old Garland isn’t good enough to win with in the playoffs. He needed to get better, not regress into a player like Collin Sexton.

Keeping him shouldn’t be an option. Does anyone ever honestly think you can make a deep playoff run as our second best player?

He makes too many stupid decisions and doesn’t have the talent to overcome it.

I think he has regressed to a player worse than the current version of Collin Sexton. Utah has tried to keep developing Sexton. He is making better passes and isn't pounding the ball as much.

While Garland is now pounding the ball and not looking to score at all. He pounds the ball then makes an outlet pass that another player has to take a bad shot. Sexton at least would pound the ball and attack the rim.

Garland is basically George Hill when he came to the Cavs without the ability to defend like Hill. A lot of probing for nothing.

 

[Boobie4Three]

6'5" point guards are the trend and the future. We zigged while the league zagged. Now we have an undersized, emo, weak willed chump.

 

[inliner311]

6'5" point guards are the trend and the future. We zigged while thr league zagged. Now we have an undersized, emo, weak willed chump.

I think Koby doesn't really understand the motivation of going against the trends of the league. It's to get extra value from your assets. Like Jarrett Allen was very good value for what we gave up but his drafting basically doesn't take into account the reduced value of undersized guards and defensive players. Like I would think you would target guys like Maxey, Quickly, or Brunson where they were taken to build out our roster of guards vs spending high picks on undersized guards

 

[daddywags]

I think he has regressed to a player worse than the current version of Collin Sexton. Utah has tried to keep developing Sexton. He is making better passes and isn't pounding the ball as much.

While Garland is now pounding the ball and not looking to score at all. He pounds the ball then makes an outlet pass that another player has to take a bad shot. Sexton at least would pound the ball and attack the rim.

Garland is basically George Hill when he came to the Cavs without the ability to defend like Hill. A lot of probing for nothing.

Collin Sexton had a better season across the board this year than Garland did. And his arrow is pointing up (coming off a major injury) while Garland seems to be trending downward.

 

[Boobie4Three]

I think Koby doesn't really understand the motivation of going against the trends of the league. It's to get extra value from your assets. Like Jarrett Allen was very good value for what we gave up but his drafting basically doesn't take into account the reduced value of undersized guards and defensive players. Like I would think you would target guys like Maxey, Quickly, or Brunson where they were taken to build out our roster of guards vs spending high picks on undersized guards

Exactly. There is a time and place to pick them...

 

[ryanf]

Collin Sexton had a better season across the board this year than Garland did. And his arrow is pointing up (coming off a major injury) while Garland seems to be trending downward.

I think garland is the eric dampier of guards, plays well during contract years, then relaxes and coasts.

 

[godfather]

I think he has regressed to a player worse than the current version of Collin Sexton. Utah has tried to keep developing Sexton. He is making better passes and isn't pounding the ball as much.

While Garland is now pounding the ball and not looking to score at all. He pounds the ball then makes an outlet pass that another player has to take a bad shot. Sexton at least would pound the ball and attack the rim.

Garland is basically George Hill when he came to the Cavs without the ability to defend like Hill. A lot of probing for nothing.

Yep, Sexton is better than Garland.

And a certain somebody traded Sexton, and kept Garland.

Sexton would fit in next to Mitchell better than Garland too. Since Sexton doesn't have to be a point guard. He can just do what he does best, and that's score. Which I think he's a better scorer than Garland is.

I think the Cavs should have swung a three way deal with Utah, kept Sexton, and have moved Garland in a deal, to swing another piece along side with Mitchell. We could be set up a lot better.

Koby just doesn't evaluate his own roster very well. He didn't learn from the mistake, that Garland was the one that couldn't play with another ball dominate guard. So he brings in another, and fails to see it would be a major problem.

Fuckin' Koby.

Damn it, he should be fired. He's a shitty general manager.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Yep, Sexton is better than Garland.

And a certain somebody traded Sexton, and kept Garland.

Sexton would fit in next to Mitchell better than Garland too. Since Sexton doesn't have to be a point guard. He can just do what he does best, and that's score. Which I think he's a better scorer than Garland is.

I think the Cavs should have swung a three way deal with Utah, kept Sexton, and have moved Garland in a deal, to swing another piece along side with Mitchell. We could be set up a lot better.

Koby just doesn't evaluate his own roster very well. He didn't learn from the mistake, that Garland was the one that couldn't play with another ball dominate guard. So he brings in another, and fails to see it would be a major problem.

Fuckin' Koby.

Damn it, he should be fired. He's a shitty general manager.

Not sure how you make it work financially at that point in time, but trading Garland in that move might’ve let the Cavs keep Sexton and Lauri.

That has the benefit of hindsight, though. Pretty sure no one here including myself would’ve vouched for trading Garland at that point.