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AustinCarr
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did i see right? did Billups just get T #2?
thats a seat in the locker room. Cavs must be playing with a little more testicals today.
thats a seat in the locker room. Cavs must be playing with a little more testicals today.
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wait a sec. two T's on Billups, but he is still in the game? did the rules change?
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not watching the game, i am assuming that one was probably illegal defense, and while im not positive im pretty sure that illegal defense doesnt really count as a technical (ie it doesnt count for you to get thrown out) it only gives the other team a FT.
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Donyell just putting up awful shot after awful shot...
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Cavaliers getting out-worked again...
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Check out our shot selection in the 4th quarter....quite impressive. 2 for 5 on shots under 20 feet. 1 for 7 on shots 20 feet and out.
First 5 shots of the 4th quarter - 24 feet, 20 feet, 24 feet, 22 feet and 22 feet. After Sasha's basket we led by 1.....then we missed 4 straight bombs and Detroit went on a 6-1 run....they never trailed again.
Sasha makes 24 footer.
Lebron misses 20 foot jumper.
DJones misses 24 foot jumper.
Marshall misses 22 foot jumper.
DJones misses 22 foot jumper.
Gooden makes 9 footer.
ESnow misses 16 foot jumper.
Z misses 7 foot hook shot.
Lebron makes 7 footer.
Z misses 12 footer.
Lebron misses 25 footer.
Lebron misses 25 footer.
First 5 shots of the 4th quarter - 24 feet, 20 feet, 24 feet, 22 feet and 22 feet. After Sasha's basket we led by 1.....then we missed 4 straight bombs and Detroit went on a 6-1 run....they never trailed again.
Sasha makes 24 footer.
Lebron misses 20 foot jumper.
DJones misses 24 foot jumper.
Marshall misses 22 foot jumper.
DJones misses 22 foot jumper.
Gooden makes 9 footer.
ESnow misses 16 foot jumper.
Z misses 7 foot hook shot.
Lebron makes 7 footer.
Z misses 12 footer.
Lebron misses 25 footer.
Lebron misses 25 footer.
This is a soft team that will lose in the 1st round. Z is the only Cav with any balls. The rest just back down when opponents get tough or physical with them.
The Cavs have to acquire some tough minded players this offseason. They also need a true POWER forward, not just big forwards with more finesse type games like Gooden and Marshall.
Mike Brown has shown himself to be a terrible offensive coach. His system, if you can even call it that, is simplistic and easily stopped.
Great job tonight by Brown in making an effort to reduce LeBron's minutes. He was out there for 47 again. Anyone can see LeBron isn't as effective with those minutes and stands around too much and doesn't defend strongly.
It makes no sense why Varejao didn't get on the court. I would think an aggressive, high energy big man would have provided a lift for the Cavs tonight.
LeBron is an incredible talent but at his age is not a real leader yet. I only saw him take it to the basket twice in the halfcourt offense tonight. He settled for perimeter shots and seemed intimidated by the Pistons tough, physical play.
It was sad to see no Cav do anything while Rasheed Wallace basically laughed in their faces. At least Z knocked him down once but but as he laughed at them later he should have been planted on his ass again.
I hope we're not seeing a 3rd straight late season collapse but it could happen with a soft team filled with too many players who don't do the needed dirty work that real contenders do.
The Cavs have to acquire some tough minded players this offseason. They also need a true POWER forward, not just big forwards with more finesse type games like Gooden and Marshall.
Mike Brown has shown himself to be a terrible offensive coach. His system, if you can even call it that, is simplistic and easily stopped.
Great job tonight by Brown in making an effort to reduce LeBron's minutes. He was out there for 47 again. Anyone can see LeBron isn't as effective with those minutes and stands around too much and doesn't defend strongly.
It makes no sense why Varejao didn't get on the court. I would think an aggressive, high energy big man would have provided a lift for the Cavs tonight.
LeBron is an incredible talent but at his age is not a real leader yet. I only saw him take it to the basket twice in the halfcourt offense tonight. He settled for perimeter shots and seemed intimidated by the Pistons tough, physical play.
It was sad to see no Cav do anything while Rasheed Wallace basically laughed in their faces. At least Z knocked him down once but but as he laughed at them later he should have been planted on his ass again.
I hope we're not seeing a 3rd straight late season collapse but it could happen with a soft team filled with too many players who don't do the needed dirty work that real contenders do.
The Cavs played a good one for 3 and a half quarters, but then they let the game get away from them. After some adjustment, it appeared that the turnovers and run outs were under control, but Detroit cranked it up a notch in the 4th and the Cavs didn't match. There was some decent D, but some really crappy decisions and more missed free throws let this one slip away. There were also some extremely bad calls (Chauncey shooting 3 free throws after not getting fouled after putting it up with his toe on the line). The lane violation on the Lebron free throw was something that is against the rules technically, but it happens all the time and in all the games I've watched, I've never seen that called on the shooter, especially on a made shot. Its kind of like when players change their pivot foot before taking a dribble outside the 3 point line, happens several times, just doesn't get called.
But yeah, what the heck is up with our 3 point "specialists?" Donyell just didn't do a whole lot positive. Jones I thought did some intangible things, was scrapping for rebounds, even playing some good D. Too bad he shot like crap. Also, the entire team looked a bit hesitant, passing up on shots they'd normally take and throwing bad passes instead.
This one wasn't a total blow out however, and if the Cavs continue to play this hard until the end of the season, then they should come out about where they started the all-star break in the standings.
But yeah, what the heck is up with our 3 point "specialists?" Donyell just didn't do a whole lot positive. Jones I thought did some intangible things, was scrapping for rebounds, even playing some good D. Too bad he shot like crap. Also, the entire team looked a bit hesitant, passing up on shots they'd normally take and throwing bad passes instead.
This one wasn't a total blow out however, and if the Cavs continue to play this hard until the end of the season, then they should come out about where they started the all-star break in the standings.
Wow the game looked very sloppy and there goes Marshall making a house out of bricks. Damon Jones can pull out of his slump, but they step-up 3 that he took after some good decision making by Jones was aweful. He made like an assist and a defensive stop and wanted to do something by scoring it seems, and made the wrong decision. Hopefully we can rebound back and just destroy Sacremento wednesday night.
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The Cavaliers just aren't tough enough to hang with these Pistons. Good games individually by Z and LeBron, but unfortunatly, we need more then just those two to perform for us.
In order for us to beat Detroit, we need some bench production. We would also need Drew Gooden to do something out there also. It seemed to me that the Cavs were sorta bringing themselves down to a lower level to the Pistons.
I also that think some of our players are afraid of them. And it made me sick. Rasheed Wallace is a punk and was talkin the entire game and it got into our heads. It sucks that players like him get into their heads. I was really hoping for someone to get into his face and shut him up.
I would also like to add that the Cleveland crowd just plain out sucked tonight. It's so effin' embarring to have to watch our crowd be so passive during big moments of the game. When we cause turnovers, we get no cheers. When we get to the foul line, we get no cheers. The jumbotron man had to put the "defense" thing on so people would actually start saying it.
I doubt the real fans are out there anyhow. This city doesn't even care about basketball, but i bet you if it was a football game, everyone would have been cheering their asses off.
Bullshit.
In order for us to beat Detroit, we need some bench production. We would also need Drew Gooden to do something out there also. It seemed to me that the Cavs were sorta bringing themselves down to a lower level to the Pistons.
I also that think some of our players are afraid of them. And it made me sick. Rasheed Wallace is a punk and was talkin the entire game and it got into our heads. It sucks that players like him get into their heads. I was really hoping for someone to get into his face and shut him up.
I would also like to add that the Cleveland crowd just plain out sucked tonight. It's so effin' embarring to have to watch our crowd be so passive during big moments of the game. When we cause turnovers, we get no cheers. When we get to the foul line, we get no cheers. The jumbotron man had to put the "defense" thing on so people would actually start saying it.
I doubt the real fans are out there anyhow. This city doesn't even care about basketball, but i bet you if it was a football game, everyone would have been cheering their asses off.
Bullshit.
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Man oh Man, what a disappointing finish. I really enjoyed that game thru the first three quarters. One of the most entertaining of the season. Then the shitty collapse. Heartbreaker.....
I also have questioned Coach Brown's ability to lead this team to a title. I dont think hes that great with our offense. AV should have got a look tonite. How long is he on contract? Hope its just cuz hes a rookie coach.
LeBron should have been more aggressive in the 4th. But the Pistons upped the ante and the Cavs folded. Growing pains. No worries about another collapse, March is lookin better schedule-wise.
I also have questioned Coach Brown's ability to lead this team to a title. I dont think hes that great with our offense. AV should have got a look tonite. How long is he on contract? Hope its just cuz hes a rookie coach.
LeBron should have been more aggressive in the 4th. But the Pistons upped the ante and the Cavs folded. Growing pains. No worries about another collapse, March is lookin better schedule-wise.