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In that case maybe he's mentally distracted and that could explain some of the recent skid.
 
KluberSociety said:
In that case maybe he's mentally distracted and that could explain some of the recent skid.
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Little of that, little of the 200 plate appearance mark is when you get a full fledged scouting report created on you in a MLB scouts database. Usually when pitchers start pitching to your weaknesses as opposed to just pitching to you to try and get you out.

Typically young players see a lull after that mark for a bit. Can be 50 PAs, can be 200 PAs. Some guys it doesn’t even effect them at all. Some guys they fall off so hard you never see them again, like Bobby Bradley.
 
I think sometimes we search for reason too often instead of just accepting that there are ebbs and flows to player production.

Jones just hit a 3-run shot to the moon, by the way.
 
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I just mentally estimated but if we say 6/25 is the first game since he hit 200 PA (I didn't realize there was a literal report, thought it was more just the time it took to catch up on scouting), Jones has K'd 43% of the time in a 51 PA sample, but he has hit 3 HRs over the last week of play. His last HR was on a 1st pitch slider down the middle, which might be an example of how they decided to shift their pitching against him. Personally I would think that getting over a breaking pitch for a first strike would be a way to exploit his approach.
 
Re: Nolan Jones' Homer.... A get me over slider, mid thigh high that caught more of the plate/inner half than what the pitcher wanted.. they fly pretty far when impacted by ash or maple... It was a good swing by a hitter that was ready to swing...

Nolan Jones swings early and often.. otherwise he strikes out.. His M.O can and will be exploited.. but only if the ML pitcher is a ML pitcher...
 
At what point do we just admit the same thing that happened in the minors is happening in the MLB?

Nolan is striking out a lot, but producing a lot. Production is king. We’d be thrilled if we had a rookie putting up a .268/.341/.464 slash line through his first 260 PAs, regardless of the K rate. Look at the gushing over David Fry.

Been his MO his entire professional career. Has never stopped him from being an above average to well above average hitter each step of the way. You can strike out a lot and still be a productive hitter. We have shifted a bit too far to the idea that low strikeout rate hitter = a good hitter and high strikeout rate hitter = a bad hitter.

Eventually some of you will start giving him the credit he is due for the numbers he’s producing and quit belittling him over his BABIP or K rate.
 
BimboColesHair said:
At what point do we just admit the same thing that happened in the minors is happening in the MLB?

Nolan is striking out a lot, but producing a lot. Production is king. We’d be thrilled if we had a rookie putting up a .268/.341/.464 slash line through his first 260 PAs, regardless of the K rate. Look at the gushing over David Fry.

Been his MO his entire professional career. Has never stopped him from being an above average to well above average hitter each step of the way. You can strike out a lot and still be a productive hitter. We have shifted a bit too far to the idea that low strikeout rate hitter = a good hitter and high strikeout rate hitter = a bad hitter.

Eventually some of you will start giving him the credit he is due for the numbers he’s producing and quit belittling him over his BABIP or K rate.
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Imagine how much we’d be losing our minds if we had Gunnar Henderson at SS right now.

Oh, never mind, I just saw he strikes out too much.
 
BimboColesHair said:
At what point do we just admit the same thing that happened in the minors is happening in the MLB?

Nolan is striking out a lot, but producing a lot. Production is king. We’d be thrilled if we had a rookie putting up a .268/.341/.464 slash line through his first 260 PAs, regardless of the K rate. Look at the gushing over David Fry.

Been his MO his entire professional career. Has never stopped him from being an above average to well above average hitter each step of the way. You can strike out a lot and still be a productive hitter. We have shifted a bit too far to the idea that low strikeout rate hitter = a good hitter and high strikeout rate hitter = a bad hitter.

Eventually some of you will start giving him the credit he is due for the numbers he’s producing and quit belittling him over his BABIP or K rate.
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we continue to lead the league in fewest strike outs and continue to rank 12th in runs scored
 
Mcreek said:
Benson is on his way to becoming a star while the Team talent evaluators and those on this site preferred the light hitting career 4 th outfielder Wil the thrill Brennan.

Benson now is hitting 292/398/533/931 while stealing bases and playing stellar defense.

Wil Brennan this sites choice is posting Jimmy Norris type numbers : 260/292/376/668

His platoon partner Oscar Gonzales is flailing away at AAA .

Reminds me of what happened with Brandon Phillips years ago. The same dummies made the same stupid decision to give away a talented player that didn’t progress fast enough. Anyone with an IQ of 50 knew Wil Benson struggles big time at every level. But this Nit Wit FO was deceived by the fools gold of Brennan and Gonzales last season.

Now they will have to watch Wil Benson and Jones become Stars or border line stars while the stiffs they chose will become vagabond”s
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Working this board.
 
BimboColesHair said:
At what point do we just admit the same thing that happened in the minors is happening in the MLB?

Nolan is striking out a lot, but producing a lot. Production is king. We’d be thrilled if we had a rookie putting up a .268/.341/.464 slash line through his first 260 PAs, regardless of the K rate. Look at the gushing over David Fry.

Been his MO his entire professional career. Has never stopped him from being an above average to well above average hitter each step of the way. You can strike out a lot and still be a productive hitter. We have shifted a bit too far to the idea that low strikeout rate hitter = a good hitter and high strikeout rate hitter = a bad hitter.

Eventually some of you will start giving him the credit he is due for the numbers he’s producing and quit belittling him over his BABIP or K rate.
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Were the Guardians not sold on Jones or did they just really like Brito?
 
Steve_424 said:
Were the Guardians not sold on Jones or did they just really like Brito?
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We really like Brito.

And heading into the season, where was Nolan playing? You aren't dumping Brennan after how he finished the season off at the MLB level and making the postseason roster or Oscar after putting up a near .800 OPS season as a rookie and his postseason heroics. You already have 4 OFers on the roster between those 2, Kwan, and Straw. He isn't playing 3B over Josey. He isn't playing 1B over Naylor. The main point of emphasis in free agency was to add an experienced 1B/DH (Abreu, Bell), so now DH is out of the question. Couple that with him on his last option and it made sense to get a player you like and extend the asset.

Love Nolan. But Brito is no slouch. He has a chance to be a better MLB player than Nolan. Which is all you can really ask for when you extend the asset.
 
BimboColesHair said:
We really like Brito.

And heading into the season, where was Nolan playing? You aren't dumping Brennan after how he finished the season off at the MLB level and making the postseason roster or Oscar after putting up a near .800 OPS season as a rookie and his postseason heroics. You already have 4 OFers on the roster between those 2, Kwan, and Straw. He isn't playing 3B over Josey. He isn't playing 1B over Naylor. The main point of emphasis in free agency was to add an experienced 1B/DH (Abreu, Bell), so now DH is out of the question. Couple that with him on his last option and it made sense to get a player you like and extend the asset.

Love Nolan. But Brito is no slouch. He has a chance to be a better MLB player than Nolan. Which is all you can really ask for when you extend the asset.
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Wouldn't it be fair to argue we should've see regression coming for Oscar?

Kwan-Brennan-Jones made a lot of sense to me even this winter, with Straw as a 4th OF.
 
Steve_424 said:
Wouldn't it be fair to argue we should've see regression coming for Oscar?

Kwan-Brennan-Jones made a lot of sense to me even this winter, with Straw as a 4th OF.
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You also have (had) Valera and Halpin coming up. You want MLB depth coming up and if Jones had 2 option years remaining, you might have gone that route of extra depth (but needed to trade before he lost all his options and deminished his trade value further - as Colorado used the option before he broke out).

Yet, for Jones to be up with us .. Valera had to have another injury/suspension, Oscar had to regress and then Jones would still be sitting behind Brennan (probably at AAA) as they like Straw's defense and you want a righty bat like Fry, Oscar, Arias, etc instead for extra OF. And, at that point, they still had Benson. Just happens that nothing really worked at according to plan.
 
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