Well, other than the fact Wilks is absolutely horrendous and couldn’t motivate players or play to their strengths in the slightest. He is literally awful, does not take responsibility for poor anything (and last season, everything was poor here) and I’m crossing my fingers so hard against it.
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Well, other than the fact Wilks is absolutely horrendous and couldn’t motivate players or play to their strengths in the slightest. He is literally awful, does not take responsibility for poor anything (and last season, everything was poor here) and I’m crossing my fingers so hard against it.
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Everything you’re saying is fine, but all of that is from his one year as a head coach, not his time as a DC.
Some guys are just built to be coordinators and not head coaches.
I say again, Hue Jackson was an excellent offensive coordinator just a few short years ago.
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So, DC spots:
Arizona: Joseph
NYJ: Gregggggggg
Tampa: Bowles
Denver: Fangio or a Fangio proxy
GB: Pettine
Which leaves:
Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, Cincy
Browns should have their pick, although I know Pagano is likely interviewing with Chicago and that might be too good to pass up.
Arizona: Joseph
NYJ: Gregggggggg
Tampa: Bowles
Denver: Fangio or a Fangio proxy
GB: Pettine
Which leaves:
Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, Cincy
Browns should have their pick, although I know Pagano is likely interviewing with Chicago and that might be too good to pass up.
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Right now Browns have only unfilled DC position after the two teams without a head coach...
For OC, a lot of teams are in similar position as the Browns where their HC will also double as the OC: AZ, CIN, GB, and NYJ... Aside from Miami, and possibly Cincinnati, the chance for an OC to call his plays is limited with teams trying to find the next McVay as head coach...
Point being: Browns likely will have their choice for DC of who’s left and not much competition.. If they want Wilks (who could be hired with Bienemy if he gets Dolphin job) or Pagano, they likely will land one of the two...
For OC, a lot of teams are in similar position as the Browns where their HC will also double as the OC: AZ, CIN, GB, and NYJ... Aside from Miami, and possibly Cincinnati, the chance for an OC to call his plays is limited with teams trying to find the next McVay as head coach...
Point being: Browns likely will have their choice for DC of who’s left and not much competition.. If they want Wilks (who could be hired with Bienemy if he gets Dolphin job) or Pagano, they likely will land one of the two...
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Time to make our peace with Wilks
Conceptually, his ideas for what a defense should do is situationally horrendous. Like if you hated Gregg playing soft on 3rd, conceptually Wilks does the same thing.
Being a good coordinator is fine. Being a good coordinator on an established defense for one season isn’t really all that impressive. He’s not McDermott. He’s not creative defensively. And he’s Hue level accountability. It was really bad.
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Pagano needs to be the guy if for no reason other than that’s the HC experience I want to pair with Freddie.
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Couple of updates:
Joseph confirmed to Arizona. Seems like Sark is gonna be their OC (LMAO)
Joseph confirmed to Arizona. Seems like Sark is gonna be their OC (LMAO)
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The good news on Steve Wilks: I truly believe he’s a good defensive coordinator despite being terribly unprepared as a head coach.
Also good news, his awful one-year flame out in Arizona likely means he could run this defense for many years before he’s ever a HC candidate again.
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The Panthers defense improved from 10th DVOA in McDermott's final season to 7th DVOA in Wilks' lone season then dropped off to 22nd DVOA under Eric Washington this past year.
I get that you don't like him, but let's be a little rational here too.
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One of the biggest complaints about him in Arizona was that he played 5 DB's at essentially all times. However, I think that had a lot to do with the strength of his defensive backfield.
That's the league, now. Gregg ran an obscene amount of 3-3-5 and 4-2-5.
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I won't pretend to be a Steve Wilks expert, but the short article I read was pretty concerning. It said the team president or GM (can't remember) said that Wilks made many mistakes and that the defense ranked 6th before he got there, then Wilks forced them to change from a 34 to a 43 and the defense stunk this season with him.
1. I hate that he didn't adapt to the players he had and forced his scheme on the team.
2. Getting fired after just 1 season is very concerning no matter how you want to slice it.
3. The defense went way down hill according to the article once he took over.
1. I hate that he didn't adapt to the players he had and forced his scheme on the team.
2. Getting fired after just 1 season is very concerning no matter how you want to slice it.
3. The defense went way down hill according to the article once he took over.
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1 is a major problem. He misused Deone Bucannon horribly, didn't play Budda Baker and somehow managed to make PP ineffective.
2 I'm not sure that's all his fault. While he made the hire, Mike McCoy is one of the worst OC's in the NFL now. Then he had a young passing game coordinator take over and do a lousy job too. His starting QB's were Carson Palmer and rookie Rosen. His offensive line was TERRIBLE, and his best WR is basically a possession WR at this point. Partially his fault, but he was also undermined by his GM.
3 I have absolutely no defense for him here. He failed. He had a lot of talent, Chandler Jones, PP, Deone Bucannon, Budda Baker, and some others on defense. It should not have been that bad. Was it too much time on the field? I don't think so, it looked like just bad coaching.
We shall see, but I definitely prefer Pagano to Wilks.
What I will say to defend Wilks, is that his system fits the Browns almost perfectly. Good secondary, good pass rusher, smart MLB. The Browns would have to bolster that middle of the defensive line, and they would need more pass rushing depth, but it COULD work.
I feel like Pagano is more likely to make it work than Wilks.