Frye to Suns 2/yr $3.8 mill (pg. 37)

[liquidfire]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Can someone from realgm make a thread in the portland board just asking about his game and if hed be a decent starter for the cavs inebtween bron and shaq.

thansk

 

[Cavsfan89]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Can someone from realgm make a thread in the portland board just asking about his game and if hed be a decent starter for the cavs inebtween bron and shaq.

thansk

Who really cares what they think? Lets worry about him signing here first...

 

[Radar]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Can someone from realgm make a thread in the portland board just asking about his game and if hed be a decent starter for the cavs inebtween bron and shaq.

thansk

I did already,3 days ago

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=923792

 

[WitnessMoBoobie]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Agree with APW. It is the coach's job to decide who will start, play in the second unit, play starter minutes, or finish the close games. That is where some of MB's paycheck is earned. Some players do better in certain roles (because of ego or they like to provide a spark off the bench or for whatever reason). This is MB's job. I have faith he will play the right guys when it matters most. The team is stronger this year and the second unit is much better than it was last year. For god's sake, we will have Z coming off the bench. And as far as I am concerned, Z is still a starter for 75% of the teams in this league. Having a problem deciding who should start is not a bad thing. As long as everyone knows their roles and is committed to winning, it won't matter.

 

[CLEsportsguy]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

I didn't count, but I've seen him play enough with league pass and espn360, plus everytime he's played the Cavs. I don't think he's garbage, but I don't think he deserves the starting spot over Delonte. Delonte's proven himself time and time again with this team, what else does the man need to do? I think Parker's better suited to the bench now, at 34, likely to lose a step or two no matter how much "easier" his earlier career in euroleague was on his body. Plus as a combo guard, his point-skills are likely going to prove valuable in with the rest of our starting lineup.

It blows my mind, there's some folks on this board who wanted to start Delonte over Vinsanity when we were rumored to be interested in him at the deadline, and now we get Anthony Parker, and all of sudden Parker should start.

Delonte proved himself as a starter on the Cavs. His play was phenomenal during the regular season, was arguably the second best player on the cavs when we lost to boston two seasons ago, and same against orlando. In my mind, that spot should be his until someone comes to the team who can take it from him.

Well, I never mentioned Vince Carter in a Cavs uniform except to say I would NEVER want that guy on this team. As far as what you brought up, I just look at some of the better teams in the league and there sixth men like Ginobili, Odom, Outlaw, Posey, Pietrus, Etc. I'd much rather have Delonte for firepower off the bench then Parker. Z isn't a sixth man type, and who else is there that would deliver instant offense off the dribble and knocking down shots? Boobie? Andy (if he doesn't start)? I think our starting lineup will be fine with Shaq/Mo and LBJ, we don't need Delonte in the starting unit wasting energy the first qtr. Much like Odom did, let Delonte be the x-factor off the bench and finish games.

 

[CookseyMonster]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

He's better than Varejao, and idc what anyone says about that

You think that because you know nothing about basketball. Varejao can gaurd both a 4 or a 5, he hustles all the time. He makes crucial rebounds and defenseive stops. He has played much more then Frye has and performed better as well. Andy is a winner who has contributed. Frye is a unproven who was stuck on the bench the last two seasons. Frye will get more of a chance to play here, but let's see how he plays before you go and make uneducated assestments like you just did.

You may not care what anyone else says but what you should care about is making yourself look like a know nothing moron like you just did. Hope that works for you!

 

[Akron83]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Delonte West is not "firepower" off the bench. He isn't Ben Gordon, Jason Terry, etc. He is a guy that fits in well and does plenty of good things but nothing great. He is a good starter and that is where he should be imo. If Delonte was more of an offensive player then yes.

 

[CLEsportsguy]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Delonte West is not "firepower" off the bench. He isn't Ben Gordon, Jason Terry, etc. He is a guy that fits in well and does plenty of good things but nothing great. He is a good starter and that is where he should be imo. If Delonte was more of an offensive player then yes.

I'd say he has a lot more firepower then anyone else that will be on our bench (assuming we don't make a big trade). I never said he has to be like Terry or Gordon who are guys that just chuck the ball every which way and are either hot or cold. Delonte is a good defender, he can take you off the dribble, stop and pop, hit the outside jumper and can run the point and/or play wing. I love his versatility off the bench, which to me is firepower. I don't mean he has to come out and start launching shots left and right. I am talking about a steady force game in and game out. I see him as a poor man's Ginobili off our bench. Besides LBJ, Delonte was the ONLY one who consistently showed up in the ECF as well, another reason I'd like him to start on the bench, and finish on the court and NOT rack up all those minutes in the process.

 

[DougHeil]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

He's better than Varejao, and idc what anyone says about that

You think that because you know nothing about basketball. Varejao can gaurd both a 4 or a 5, he hustles all the time. He makes crucial rebounds and defenseive stops. He has played much more then Frye has and performed better as well. Andy is a winner who has contributed. Frye is a unproven who was stuck on the bench the last two seasons. Frye will get more of a chance to play here, but let's see how he plays before you go and make uneducated assestments like you just did.

You may not care what anyone else says but what you should care about is making yourself look like a know nothing moron like you just did. Hope that works for you!

Come on now; is it really necessary to call member's names? We all have our opinions. We can voice them along with polite arguments/debate and do just fine and dandy.

 

[Beanie4Heisman]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Delonte West is not "firepower" off the bench. He isn't Ben Gordon, Jason Terry, etc. He is a guy that fits in well and does plenty of good things but nothing great. He is a good starter and that is where he should be imo. If Delonte was more of an offensive player then yes.

I agree, Delonte is anything but a gunner. I wish he would be a gunner, he has a great midrange game but he could be far more agressive, he has all the skills to average 18-20 a game but he's too unselfish. As he plays he should be in the starting lineup to set up MO and Shaq mainly. However, AP is the exact same type of player as Delonte so it makes little difference as both are willing passers who can nail any open shot, as well as create for themselves and teammates. So IMO their's no wrong choice, but I would keep Delonte starting as he will be here for the extended future and started here last year, but it truly doesn't matter.

 

[col63onel]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

He's better than Varejao, and idc what anyone says about that

You think that because you know nothing about basketball. Varejao can gaurd both a 4 or a 5, he hustles all the time. He makes crucial rebounds and defenseive stops. He has played much more then Frye has and performed better as well. Andy is a winner who has contributed. Frye is a unproven who was stuck on the bench the last two seasons. Frye will get more of a chance to play here, but let's see how he plays before you go and make uneducated assestments like you just did.

You may not care what anyone else says but what you should care about is making yourself look like a know nothing moron like you just did. Hope that works for you!

You post is :lame: which means ...

 

[DougHeil]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

I'd say he has a lot more firepower then anyone else that will be on our bench (assuming we don't make a big trade). I never said he has to be like Terry or Gordon who are guys that just chuck the ball every which way and are either hot or cold. Delonte is a good defender, he can take you off the dribble, stop and pop, hit the outside jumper and can run the point and/or play wing. I love his versatility off the bench, which to me is firepower. I don't mean he has to come out and start launching shots left and right. I am talking about a steady force game in and game out. I see him as a poor man's Ginobili off our bench. Besides LBJ, Delonte was the ONLY one who consistently showed up in the ECF as well, another reason I'd like him to start on the bench, and finish on the court and NOT rack up all those minutes in the process.

Yeah, I can see Delonte as "that guy" off the bench, and the guy who plays at the very end of the games.

But I really believe it all depends on what the roster looks like at the end of the day. We just don't know yet what we don't know. We know we added Shaq and Parker. We don't know what else yet. The "what else" will be key. Things will fall in line soon enough. I believe Brown and the coaches will know who does what and when, when that time comes doing the pre-season. The guys will also know whenever that happens. It won't be a big deal at all. I think with the great leadership we have IE: Shaq and LeBron, and playing time being split up, and who starts and who does not start..... will be a non-issue.

 

[CLEsportsguy]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

I agree, Delonte is anything but a gunner. I wish he would be a gunner, he has a great midrange game but he could be far more agressive, he has all the skills to average 18-20 a game but he's too unselfish. As he plays he should be in the starting lineup to set up MO and Shaq mainly. However, AP is the exact same type of player as Delonte so it makes little difference as both are willing passers who can nail any open shot, as well as create for themselves and teammates. So IMO their's no wrong choice, but I would keep Delonte starting as he will be here for the extended future and started here last year, but it truly doesn't matter.

I guess the reason I DO think it matter's is the fact that every elite team has a sixth man they can go to except us. That was one of our downfalls in the playoffs, NO bench and NO sixth man. Orlando had Pietrus, LA-Odom, Denver-JR smith.....we had?
Delonte could be that guy. I don't understand the whole he's not a Ben Gordon thing because so what? neither is Odom. Odom did a lot of the dirty work (tough rebounds, guarding tough opposing players, and was a good facilitator when Kobe was out). He helped keep the second unit going. He was not a Ben "I never saw a shot I didn't like" Gordon type sixth man.

Again, unless we go out and attain a Gerald Wallace or someone of that stature, I think Delonte should be the sixth man. many people keep talking about how we won 66 games with him and Mo as our back court. Did they forget we also lost in 6 games in the ECF to a team that had Rafer Alston as their starting PG? Adding Delonte just gives us more depth and keeps him from 37-42 minutes a game. He can get his 30-35 a game and still finish out the 4th qtr on the court without racking up 18-20 minutes in the first half like before.

 

[CLEsportsguy]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Yeah, I can see Delonte as "that guy" off the bench, and the guy who plays at the very end of the games.

But I really believe it all depends on what the roster looks like at the end of the day. We just don't know yet what we don't know. We know we added Shaq and Parker. We don't know what else yet. The "what else" will be key. Things will fall in line soon enough. I believe Brown and the coaches will know who does what and when, when that time comes doing the pre-season. The guys will also know whenever that happens. It won't be a big deal at all. I think with the great leadership we have IE: Shaq and LeBron, and playing time being split up, and who starts and who does not start..... will be a non-issue.

I agree, we need to wait and see what the rest of the off season brings. I guess after what I saw in the ECF with such a small back court, the fact we had NO bench/sixth man, and the fact Parker has started and been solid at the 2 all leads me to believe Redz should be the sixth man. Many of you have made some valid points and I do think we could win either way, I just believe Redz could turn into a better sixth man then Parker/Z or anyone else.

 

[World B ThAreee]

Re: Windy: Cavs in talks for Frye

Having Parker and (possibly) Frye just gives Brown that much more flexibility with matchups. Whether or not he has the brains or the stones to use those matchups in the playoffs remains to be seen, but having Parker/Delonte gives them two solid defenders/shooters at the 2, and with Parker's size advantage over Delonte, it allows the Cavs to counteract bigger playmakers like Turkoglu. Delonte did an amazing job in the playoffs against Rip Hamilton and Joe Johnson, but Orlando's offense was tough to stop when he was forced to guard Hedo.