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Hue Jackson and Todd Haley Fired

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The Human Q-Tip said:
It is one thing to debate the wisdom of your head coach being a "new school" or "old school" kind of guy. There are a lot of guys who are good coaches but still "old school" in terms of things like clock management, 4th down decisions, etc.. It can be frustrating at times, but if he is otherwise good, you can live with it because you don't want to lose all those other things he brings.

The core issue with Hue isn't that he's old school. It's that he's incompetent old school. He has made multiple game-critical decisions that are indefensible even if you're an "old school" coach.

I don't understand the logic of fans being expected to give Hue "a chance". He's had chances. Multiple chances over three seasons to get correct basic decisions that have absolutely nothing to do with a lack of talent. Even when all the play calling responsibilities were taken away from him, he managed to do it again. How many games should a head coach get to blow with stupid decisions before he gets fired?

This isn't the NBA, where you have decisions that are made under much tighter time pressure, and we're talking about an 82 game season and best of 7 playoff series. In the NBA, a coach can make a game blowing decision in the regular season, and if they're truly a good team, it won't matter because they'll make the playoffs anyway. And one blown playoff game means you still have more games in which to recover.

This is the NFL. You get 16 games, and some damn good teams can miss the playoffs based on the results of one game. And the playoffs are one and done. You don't get mulligans in the NFL, and if you did, Hue has used up his allotment of them.

Hue Jackson is the damned George McClellan of the NFL. General McClellan built pretty armies for Abe Lincoln, trained them well, and his troops loved him. But when it came to actually fighting, he was a shitty general who repeatedly made stupid mistakes. And not unlike Hue, he tried to undermine everyone around him - including Lincoln -- to take the blame for his own mistakes. Lincoln actually hired him twice to lead the Army of the Potomac because he thought he didn't have better choices available. Eventually, finally, he was fired for good.

Screw Hue. Keeping him around after he's screwed up this much would have been like keeping McClellan around, and not firing him until after he loses the Battle of Gettysburg to Robert E. Lee.

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This is the single best post I've read in close to ten years on RCF. Well done, sir.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
It is one thing to debate the wisdom of your head coach being a "new school" or "old school" kind of guy. There are a lot of guys who are good coaches but still "old school" in terms of things like clock management, 4th down decisions, etc.. It can be frustrating at times, but if he is otherwise good, you can live with it because you don't want to lose all those other things he brings.

The core issue with Hue isn't that he's old school. It's that he's incompetent old school. He has made multiple game-critical decisions that are indefensible even if you're an "old school" coach.

I don't understand the logic of fans being expected to give Hue "a chance". He's had chances. Multiple chances over three seasons to get correct basic decisions that have absolutely nothing to do with a lack of talent. Even when all the play calling responsibilities were taken away from him, he managed to do it again. How many games should a head coach get to blow with stupid decisions before he gets fired?

This isn't the NBA, where you have decisions that are made under much tighter time pressure, and we're talking about an 82 game season and best of 7 playoff series. In the NBA, a coach can make a game blowing decision in the regular season, and if they're truly a good team, it won't matter because they'll make the playoffs anyway. And one blown playoff game means you still have more games in which to recover.

This is the NFL. You get 16 games, and some damn good teams can miss the playoffs based on the results of one game. And the playoffs are one and done. You don't get mulligans in the NFL, and if you did, Hue has used up his allotment of them.

Hue Jackson is the damned George McClellan of the NFL. General McClellan built pretty armies for Abe Lincoln, trained them well, and his troops loved him. But when it came to actually fighting, he was a shitty general who repeatedly made stupid mistakes. And not unlike Hue, he tried to undermine everyone around him - including Lincoln -- to take the blame for his own mistakes. Lincoln actually hired him twice to lead the Army of the Potomac because he thought he didn't have better choices available. Eventually, finally, he was fired for good.

Screw Hue. Keeping him around after he's screwed up this much would have been like keeping McClellan around, and not firing him until after he loses the Battle of Gettysburg to Robert E. Lee.

@King Stannis
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So you want Hue to run for president after he is relieved of his duties as coach? :chuckle:
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Well, the reason that can really be argued is that none of us can see what he really does outside of games. How much of what we see is due to Hue v. the coordinators, or position coaches, or leadership by the players themselves? Who knows?

The only things on which it is really fair for players to judge a head coach are the in-game decisions that we actually do see, and a more bottom-line evaluation of whether the on-field production is commensurate with the talent.
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If it’s the coaches or cordinators, hue hires those guys. Outside of maybe Haley, we’d have to give him credit.
 
The lone positive when these guys do get fired? I don't think the media will jump on us for "not giving them a chance"

You can't be this undisciplined (False starts and the like), and find ways to get constantly outschemed like this.

Man.

I do wonder who is taking this job though. Because I can't see Hue staying on at this point unless the team finishes .500 or makes the playoffs.
 
We need new coaches. You shouldn’t get worked like that at home and have the game all but decided at half time.

Just another blowout and it’s probably finally over for Hue. Hopefully we have began the coaching search in earnest.

Were we prepared? Did we play like it was a playoff game? Did we identify weaknesses of our opponent and exploit them?

No, no, & no. I didn’t watch the game tho. Somebody tell me I am wrong.

It would be one thing if we were here saying “well, that’s Tank Carder for you - limited.” But instead we have a talented team and we got blown the fuck out.

I get it. WR depth. We still have Njoku, Landry, Duke, and Chubb. I mean even if we lost but kept it close, it would suck but that’s something to build on. This was pathetic.
 
Our coaching staff was just out-coached. I was hoping for a west coast hangover from the Chargers but as soon as they mentioned that they had been in Cleveland since LAST Friday, I knew we were in trouble. 4-2 looks so much better than 3-3 and they were just the better prepared team, even with a depleted defense.

The only good news is that there should be a lot of teachable moments in film room this week. Hopefully the coaches have a couple a-ha moments themselves, as in "a-ha, we really suck in zone coverage. Perhaps we should work in more man defense."
 
natedagg said:
We need new coaches. You shouldn’t get worked like that at home and have the game all but decided at half time.

Just another blowout and it’s probably finally over for Hue. Hopefully we have began the coaching search in earnest.

Were we prepared? Did we play like it was a playoff game? Did we identify weaknesses of our opponent and exploit them?

No, no, & no. I didn’t watch the game tho. Somebody tell me I am wrong.

It would be one thing if we were here saying “well, that’s Tank Carder for you - limited.” But instead we have a talented team and we got blown the fuck out.

I get it. WR depth. We still have Njoku, Landry, Duke, and Chubb. I mean even if we lost but kept it close, it would suck but that’s something to build on. This was pathetic.
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I think if Hue wanted to keep his job he has to take back some of the offense. Install aspects of his offense and overrule playcalling. Hue had no problem getting Devalve, Njoku, and Duke the ball last year. He even tried to get Crow involved in the passing game which he needs to do with Hyde. The year before he figured out ways to make Pryor a 1000 yard receiver. Hue knew how to get the ball to his playmakers.
 
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