"I told the coaches to step aside and said, 'Bron, you take over the huddle.'"

[KI4MVP]

The Mike Brown hate on this forum is funny.

Mike Brown is a players coach, thats why his team loves him and plays their best for him.
This was a great move by the coach. I think Brown is setting a new standard in coaching.
What other coach allows for so much input from other coaches/players etc?

I think the rest of the league will take notice and start doing the same.

Only Pop, Sloan and Phil Jackson are better coaches in the NBA right now than Mike Brown. About the only 3 coaches I'd take over Brown right now.

I'd take Brown over Sloan myself. Sloan is overrated. Jordan or no Jordan, he should have won a title coaching Stockton/Malone for over a decade.

And Phil Jackson has shown that letting players figure things out themselves makes the team stronger in the long run. After 4 1/2 years of being his coach, you don't think LeBron knows what Mike Brown wants the team to do? LeBron is a leader, let him lead.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Nothing to see here

Just a little game of trying to get back in the good graces of your boss...errr star player

I'd take Brown over Sloan myself. Sloan is overrated. Jordan or no Jordan, he should have won a title coaching Stockton/Malone for over a decade.

WHOAH!!!!

WHAT MAKES JERRY SLOAN OVERRATED???

Ill be waiting?

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Jordan or no Jordan, he should have won a title coaching Stockton/Malone for over a decade.

Jerry Sloan made Malone and Stockton what they were.

If they had Layden, neither of them would be in the Hall of Fame, Malone is going in this year btw.

You just kinda threw that out there like I wouldnt bite:chuckles:

With equal talent, Jerry Sloan would beat a Mike Brown coached team by 20 nightly

 

[MYoung23]

The Mike Brown hate on this forum is funny.

Mike Brown is a players coach, thats why his team loves him and plays their best for him.
This was a great move by the coach. I think Brown is setting a new standard in coaching.
What other coach allows for so much input from other coaches/players etc?

I think the rest of the league will take notice and start doing the same.

Only Pop, Sloan and Phil Jackson are better coaches in the NBA right now than Mike Brown. About the only 3 coaches I'd take over Brown right now.

1. John Lucas did the exact same thing when he coached the Spurs over 10 years ago.

2. Larry Brown, Rick Adelman, Stan Van Gundy, George Karl and Nate McMillan are all better coaches than Penfold. I could make a case for the fired Lawrence Frank and Byron Scott, Doc Rivers and even Mike D'Antoni

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

1. John Lucas did the exact same thing when he coached the Spurs over 10 years ago.

2. Larry Brown, Rick Adelman, Stan Van Gundy, George Karl and Nate McMillan are all better coaches than Penfold. I could make a case for the fired Lawrence Frank and Byron Scott, Doc Rivers and even Mike D'Antoni

Dead on with the John Lucas comparison Young

And YES, of those coaches you named, if head to head with MB and equally talented teams, each of those coaches would expose MB just like Pop and SVG.

But, he's our coach. So go Cavs

 

[MYoung23]

I have a hard time swooning over Penfold because the best regular season the Cavaliers had Penfold did the least amount of work and the most delegating. People dont even realize that last year Mike Brown would just leave practice to do quote "other things" and the assistants would run practice.

The best ideas and adjustments usually come from sources other than Brown. Whether it was to play Gibson as a rookie, start Hickson, move Z into Donyell Marshall's role, end of the game play calls (Eric Snow, James and Damon Jones all made play suggestions in the 4th that led to wins), hiring John Kuester, etc dont stem the Penfold.

I mean, there is gif floating around the net of the Cavaliers huddle against Orlando in the playoffs and Mike Brown isnt even in the huddle at times. It is John Kuester doing all the talking and diagramming.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

I mean, there is gif floating around the net of the Cavaliers huddle against Orlando in the playoffs and Mike Brown isnt even in the huddle at times. It is John Kuester doing all the talking and diagramming.

The gif is in the original post....

 

[KI4MVP]

Stockton/Malone would have been great with or without Sloan.

In 87-88, Stockton led the league in assists, was 3rd in steals, was named 2nd team all NBA and was 10th in MVP voting.

The same year Karl Malone was 2nd team all NBA, 2nd team all defense, 8th in MVP voting, and an all star starter over Wothy and Drexler.

With Frank Layden as coach, the Jazz lost in 7 games in round 2 to the eventual world champion lakers that year. They were also the #1 defense in the nba that season under Layden.

Sloan didn't start coaching the Jazz the following season. They were already great when he got there. He came to a team who already had not one, but 2 of the 10 best players in the NBA, he coached them for 15 years, it took him 9 years to get them to the NBA finals, he only did it twice, he lost both times, then couldn't get back there.

They left after the 03 season.

03-04 - 42 wins, missed the playoffs. that team had AK47, Raja Bell, Carlos Arroyo, Ostratag, Harpring, etc.
04-05 - they steal boozer and okur, 26 wins

05-06 - 41 wins, no playoffs
06-07 - 51 wins, WCF, lose to spurs
07-08 - 54 wins, 2nd round exit
08-09 - 48 wins, 1st round exit

Deron WIlliams, Boozer, Okur, AK47, Millsap, Korver, he has talented teams, what has he done Mike Brown hasn't done here?

His best season in 21 years with the Jazz is 64 wins the year he had the league MVP and an all start PG, we won 66 with Mike Brown last year with the MVP and an an all star PG.

Other than longevity, what has Sloan really done that Mike Brown hasn't? The argument for sloan being great is really the same for Reggie Miller. Modest success during long career with one team. Only with Sloan, he coached before he went to utah - 2 1/2 years in Chicago with prime Artist Gilmore before he got fired. His poor job there may be a factor why Gilmore isn't in the hall of fame.

 

[Jon]

My point being alot of correctable flaws in Lebron's game, bad habits - are never corrected because he is never really "coached".

For Lebron to reach his absolute peak I think he would benefit from a HOF level coach who would call him out when necessary or occasionally push him to expand his game in areas he isn't as comfortable, like establishing proper position on the low block, limiting the heat checks, etc.

At the same time I don't think Mike Brown is as clueless as he seems, I think he knows what he's doing when he says this kind of stuff to the press. He knows Lebron will hear about it and bottom line Brown knows where his bread is buttered....

Maybe... each person responds differently to criticism and adversity. MJ liked to be challenged, he'd challenge himself if nobody else would - his life was a challenge. LeBron comes from a fractured family and he values stability and loyalty. He internalizes failure and finds ways to deal with it. He's improved vastly in every area of the game, because ultimately he challenges himself.

 

[Jon]

The best ideas and adjustments usually come from sources other than Brown.

And delegating decision making and getting the best ideas from everybody on the team is a bad thing ... because?

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Why is this thread made?

I know for a fact that Phil Jackson does the same thing. He used it as a way to turn Kobe into a leader instead of just the best player on the team.

Horrible thread.

 

[Typhoon]

In this case its not a bad thing at all. The problem is that it seems Brown hardly ever does any coaching on the sidelines. Its his assistants, LeBron, etc...

 

[PIP]

Meh, nothing new...

 

[nime]

In this case its not a bad thing at all. The problem is that it seems Brown hardly ever does any coaching on the sidelines. Its his assistants, LeBron, etc...

This team wouldn't be where it is today without Brown.

The defense is what it is because of Mike Brown. He brought the system in here, he turned defense into our identity. He still has the final say on all matters.

I think it is fantastic he takes input from all areas. The system in place today is successful and hopefully it turns this team into a Dynasty. Just as Bill B's system is fantastic in New England.

Kuester hasn't done wonders in Detroit. Stuckey, Gordon, and Charlie V are still the same players.

Mike Brown isn't an idiot like everyone wants to make him out to be. He is a great coach, I'm glad Gilbert hired the right guy.

 

[SoundBreaker]

I love MB lol....Just ribbing him.



It's cool that Bron Bron stepped up, definitely provided an element that a coach cannot bring.