Izzo Watch Part 2

[Amherstcavsfan]

The statistics do say his team was BETTER with him OFF the court. So your solution of having him shoot more is wrong. He is a terrible player, and he is not more talented than Mo. If we traded for him, I would burn my season tickets twice.

Ellis is more talented than Mo, but he is not a better fit.

In a way, he reminds me so much of Larry Hughes. Awful shooter, decent defender. He's not as big as Larry, but he is much, much faster.

 

[Jon]

The point is the post is smart drafting.

I shouldn't have had to explain this.

There's a fine line between smart & lucky. I can go on and on, and it doesn't put me out trying to explain it:

For instance, when we snagged Daugherty the league was in a golden age of bigs. In order, the #1 over all picks went Sampson, Olajuwon, Ewing, Daughterty, and then Robinson.

You could say the Cavs might have actually won a championship if we'd drafted one of those other guys as Brad was good - but not that good. On the other hand, that "golden age" came to a screeching halt as the top selected bigs in following years included the likes of Rik Smits, Pervis Ellison, Derrick Coleman, and Larry Johnson.

Speaking of smart, Wayne Embry was the GM of the Cavaliers from '86 up until '99. So yeah, he's responsible for all those guys and Kevin Johnson too. He's also responsible for trading Johnson (which most thought was a good move), and trading for Ferry (which people say he had no choice in). Hot Rod was actually drafted the season before Embry arrived, and we lucked out that he was acquitted of gambling charges.

But did Embry suddenly lose his "smarts" when he took Randolph Keys over Brian Shaw or the 13 other players who played more minutes in the league? Was Johnny Morton a great pick when Vlade Divac, Sherm Douglas, and Cliff Robinson were still on the board?

At least the guy could find PGs when given a high enough pick, as he snagged Brandon at #11, Miller at #8, but we don't really want to talk about who he passed on so he could take Vitaly Potapenko #12 do we?!?

As a matter of fact, we had multiple #1 picks in '96, '97, and '99; but yet the only top Embry pick to last long enough to see LeBron arrive was Z.

You say smart. I say lucky.

 

[Green Lantern]

I listened as well. In other words, Woj knows about as much as all of us knows..... nothing.

All these guys are talking and writing stuff because that's their job. They all know nothing.

One thing; Does anyone in here really believe Gilbert feels like his relationship with LeBron is "frayed?" Not.

I think the person he was irked at most is gone..MB.

 

[MYoung23]

There's a fine line between smart & lucky. I can go on and on, and it doesn't put me out trying to explain it:

For instance, when we snagged Daugherty the league was in a golden age of bigs. In order, the #1 over all picks went Sampson, Olajuwon, Ewing, Daughterty, and then Robinson.

You could say the Cavs might have actually won a championship if we'd drafted one of those other guys as Brad was good - but not that good. On the other hand, that "golden age" came to a screeching halt as the top selected bigs in following years included the likes of Rik Smits, Pervis Ellison, Derrick Coleman, and Larry Johnson.

Speaking of smart, Wayne Embry was the GM of the Cavaliers from '86 up until '99. So yeah, he's responsible for all those guys and Kevin Johnson too. He's also responsible for trading Johnson (which most thought was a good move), and trading for Ferry (which people say he had no choice in). Hot Rod was actually drafted the season before Embry arrived, and we lucked out that he was acquitted of gambling charges.

But did Embry suddenly lose his "smarts" when he took Randolph Keys over Brian Shaw or the 13 other players who played more minutes in the league? Was Johnny Morton a great pick when Vlade Divac, Sherm Douglas, and Cliff Robinson were still on the board?

At least the guy could find PGs when given a high enough pick, as he snagged Brandon at #11, Miller at #8, but we don't really want to talk about who he passed on so he could take Vitaly Potapenko #12 do we?!?

As a matter of fact, we had multiple #1 picks in '96, '97, and '99; but yet the only top Embry pick to last long enough to see LeBron arrive was Z.

You say smart. I say lucky.

You just don't get it which isn't surprising because you rarely do.

The post is about smart drafting and taking advantage of your opportunities when you draft high at the beginning of your rebuilding process. The focus of a building team and a contending team are different.

You draft good players and you tend to get good quicker than if you draft the Keith Lees and Mel Turpins of the world like Harry Weltman did. You draft DaJuan Wagner, DeSegana Diop and Luke Jackson in the top 10 it tends to come back and bite you on the ass

It isn't a difficult freaking concept to understand.

While you are searching for Cavaliers and NBA draft history search for a clue while you're at it

 

[Noonan]

I get that Lebron wants to handle this like a businessman. As an accomplished and experienced businessman, I don't accept the following statements:

1. That being uncooporative and blatantly non-commital is the best way to force the Cavaliers to improve.

2. That forcing the Cavaliers to improve is the best way to achieve actual improvement.

3. That being blatantly non-commital enhances Lebron's bargaining position with other teams in a significant way.

4. That any advantage gained by Lebron is not outweighed by the damage to his brand.

Finally, my one piece of business advice to Lebron: fire your advisors.

As best I can tell LeBron's free agency plan is basically this:

1. Behave like a petulant douche.

2. ...

3. Profit.

 

[ClevelandOwnz]

gotta get this out of the way!


FORZA ITALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Silky Smooth]

C'mon guys. Make love not war.

For a rebuilding team you have to take advantage of having lottery picks and get not just good talent but superstar talent. Picking in the lottery imo has little to do with luck and more on smart drafting. A contending team has to try to find good talent with there late draft picks which is a very hard thing to find. This is more based on luck and a little less on smarts.

 

[TheAdmin]

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