Jimmy Butler Safari

[TitleTown]

Realize we had our moment and don’t overreact to the fact that it’s over. Don’t trade somewhat valuable assets for a guy who won’t win us anything. Pray that the assets we have might be something in the future.

No one in this thread wants to give up all of our assets for Butler.

On another note, you keep repeating "pray" or "hope" that we get lucky again, but then you also say that we have no chance of LeBRon again.

So you want us to just hope we get lucky again, like we did with LeBron...but you also don't think that'll happen again any time soon???

Logic would suggest that you have serious problems with your "prayer" strategy.

 

[weepinwillow]

Butler: Cavs don't have the assets.

End of story.

Seriously, you're on a safari with a cap gun.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Fantastic point!

People are so hell bent on following ESPN's preferred direction for our franchise that they can't possibly fathom a middle ground approach wherein the Cavs pursue talented players in more ways than just tanking.

Butler may want assurances that the team to which he is traded has the financial ability to sign him the next offseason if he decides next summer that is where he wants to stay. Cap room of a trading partner is about Butler keeping his options open. It is not about a guarantee that he will re-sign with the team to whom he is traded.

That leaves us right back at the exact same point -- we could trade assets for him, and he bolts next season to a different team anyway.

 

[JDailey23]

No one in this thread wants to give up all of our assets for Butler.

On another note, you keep repeating "pray" or "hope" that we get lucky again, but then you also say that we have no chance of LeBRon again.

So you want us to just hope we get lucky again, like we did with LeBron...but you also don't think that'll happen again any time soon???

Logic would suggest that you have serious problems with your "prayer" strategy.

No problem, you pray that a Lebron falls in our lap, but it won’t ever happen again. I guess you just don’t know the meaning of the word.

 

[gourimoko]

Butler may want assurances that the team to which he is traded has the financial ability to sign him the next offseason if he decides next summer that is where he wants to stay. Cap room of a trading partner is about Butler keeping his options open. It is not about a guarantee that he will re-sign with the team to whom he is traded.

That leaves us right back at the exact same point -- we could trade assets for him, and he bolts next season to a different team anyway.

Not sure I follow your logic here? Butler's team is indicating he wants to be traded and then to sign a 5-year max contract extension with that team. Butler and said team would know his intentions before he were traded; so .. ??

 

[Omar The Horse]

Butler: Cavs don't have the assets.

End of story.

Seriously, you're on a safari with a cap gun.

Clarkson + Filler


Sounds like an AK-47 to me.

 

[TitleTown]

No problem, you pray that a Lebron falls in our lap, but it won’t ever happen again. I guess you just don’t know the meaning of the word.

I'm truly baffled. Dumbfounded.

 

[gourimoko]

Butler: Cavs don't have the assets.

End of story.

Seriously, you're on a safari with a cap gun.

Collin Sexton is more than any other team is currently offering for Butler.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Butler is most likely a 1 year rental. That's why the offers are not impressive from ANY team.

 

[JDailey23]

The term pray means to wish or for a particular outcome or situation.
So yes, you just pray for another Lebron. Odds are though, it’ll never happen again.

Someone, help me out here, what am I missing or what is he missing.

 

[TitleTown]

The term pray means to wish or for a particular outcome or situation.
So yes, you just pray for another Lebron. Odds are though, it’ll never happen again.

Someone, help me out here, what am I missing or what is he missing.

Oh, I get it. I'm just baffled as to why you keep repeating it.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Collin Sexton is more than any other team is currently offering for Butler.

Yeah, well, most other teams aren't that fuckin' stupid.

Old gourimoko; just another day at the office when a star player becomes available. If gutting our team for LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony wasn't enough, you want us to trade our top-10 pick for a guy who'd get us to 6, maybe 7 in the 1st round before skipping town.

I'd love to see your cap-clearing proposals if Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, and Dr. J collectively announced they were all getting back into the ring.

(I'm prepared for and even giddy for the level of multi-quoting that comes next.)

 

[NIkeL]

The term pray means to wish or for a particular outcome or situation.
So yes, you just pray for another Lebron. Odds are though, it’ll never happen again.

Someone, help me out here, what am I missing or what is he missing.

Because you're praying or hoping for something you also believe it's impossible. You do either one or the other, those are mutually exclusive.
If you said that the odds are very low... Then sure, hope for it, but if it's impossible, why do it at all.

That's what he's trying to say.

 

[gourimoko]

Yeah, well, most other teams aren't that fuckin' stupid.

Old gourimoko; just another day at the office when a star player becomes available. If gutting our team for LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony wasn't enough, you want us to trade our top-10 pick for a guy who'd get us to 6, maybe 7 in the 1st round before skipping town.

I'd love to see your cap-clearing proposals if Bull Russell, Oscar Robertson, and Dr. J collectively announced they were all getting back into the ring.

(I'm prepared for and even giddy for the level of multi-quoting that comes next.)

Why bother multi-quoting? You didn't actually say anything.

As has been said before, Butler is seeking a max contract extension, not free agency. He'd be getting traded with the understanding that he's signing an extension -- that happens before the trade deadline.

With regards to the guys you mentioned, I proposed trading Thompson when he was still a positive asset alongside Varejao's expiring and our first rounder for LaMarcus Aldridge -- which, was more than any team offered for Aldridge by the deadline of that year. Are you seriously suggesting we shouldn't have done that? We'd be better off even if he'd have left since we ultimately traded Varejao and that pick and are stuck with Thompson's contract.

I argued we trade salary for Wade, not assets.... And again, I argued we should trade Tristan Thompson + filler for Carmelo because again Thompson's contract is so back-loaded.

But the nuance here is lost on you, repeatedly -- time and again you don't actually get why we'd be making these moves. We'd be better off without Thompson on the roster - he's a negative asset - but you don't seem to get that. In two of the aforementioned trades, he's the centerpiece of the deal.

Try thinking the shit through before posting next time.

 

[Mavaliersfan]

@TitleTownSo now the only argument that would make sense is if one thinks a future built around Collin Sexton and other as-of-yet drafted players is likely better than an alternative rebuild centered around Love, Butler, and max cap space?

Sexton is off-limits, period. We can get to max cap space a year from now. I'd rather roll the dice and try to overachieve this year to make our team more attractive to FA's. Pacers are prime example - they may not have landed a big name FA, but they added solid rotation/starter level FA's (Evans, McDermott, O'Quinn) without losing anyone of value.