Joe John$on is a Loser

[gourimoko]

One of the TPE's we have can be used to claim him as well. Not that I'd expect that to happen.

Really? I did not know this....

Hmm..

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

If we added Johnson, I would really really really be intrigued by playing this lineup.

Kyrie/J.R/Shumpert/Johnson/LeBron against the Warriors Curry/Thompson/Iguodala/Barnes/Green

LeBron would have 20/20/20 potential and I think he'd take the Draymond match-up extra personally and dominate him on the glass.

As long as we are making shots I think that line-up could be the best answer in the league versus G.S. And if Kyrie startd getting torched, throw in Delly.

 

[Walter White]

40% of 25 million is 10 million, and we couldn't sign him for that much even if we were crazy enough to want to.

Keep in mind they have already paid over half his salary this season. I thought I read he had 8 mil left to be paid this year. So if Nets bought him out for let's say 60% of his salary that is left, Joe would get 4.8 mil and they save 3.2 mil. So minus what we would be paying him, which is whatever percent is left of a minimum contract, Joe is probably only losing a couple mil. If we gave him a couple extra mil with a TPE if that is possible, maybe he doesn't lose much of anything, but a couple mil isn't much of a sacrifice regardless for someone making that much, if they really want to win especially.

Of course, I don't know what a realistic number is for a buyout or what they usually are. Maybe every case differs. I don't think details are usually ever revealed. It could be higher or lower than that 60% number, that is just an example.

And honestly, I would assume Joe could play himself into a larger/longer contract if he became a vital piece of a championship team. But that is my opinion.

 

[Scholar]

Really? I did not know this....

Hmm..

Gouri, I have been mentioning this all year. It is one of the uses for the TPE's. I saw it as a way to get a player in their last year that we would then gain their Bird rights for. Of course, their salary would have to fit within the amount of one of our TPE's. But, it would be a tactic to then be able to extend them next summer based off their present salary.

Johnson's present salary is, of course, problematic and too much to fit. But, for the purpose of waivers, it will work like regular cap space.

 

[Ohio]

If JJ isnt willing to take a serious haircut to chase a ring, there's no way he gets bought out - unless Brooklyn thinks he's a distraction to the team or hindering development.

I did read today that they are going to focus on playing the younger players more for the rest of the season...

 

[JFT]

Now I'm actually going to watch the Nets vs. Knicks game tonight

 

[shoes22]

Gouri, I have been mentioning this all year. It is one of the uses for the TPE's. I saw it as a way to get a player in their last year that we would then gain their Bird rights for. Of course, their salary would have to fit within the amount of one of our TPE's. But, it would be a tactic to then be able to extend them next summer based off their present salary.

Johnson's present salary is, of course, problematic and too much to fit. But, for the purpose of waivers, it will work like regular cap space.

I thought if a player is bought out, bird rights don't carry over since the player is a free agent?

 

[Cavatt]

He is basically going down as an enormous waste of talent if he doesn't do this. He has already been harshly criticized for not sticking with the Suns during their run.

 

[Scholar]

Shoes, I am talking about players that go through waivers. Players that are released because they are in their last year as an expiring for the team, and the team releases them to allow them to play with a contender. If someone claims them under waivers, they never end up becoming a free agent. The team that claims them takes on the contract obligations. Thus, bird rights.

 

[gourimoko]

Gouri, I have been mentioning this all year. It is one of the uses for the TPE's. I saw it as a way to get a player in their last year that we would then gain their Bird rights for. Of course, their salary would have to fit within the amount of one of our TPE's. But, it would be a tactic to then be able to extend them next summer based off their present salary.

Johnson's present salary is, of course, problematic and too much to fit. But, for the purpose of waivers, it will work like regular cap space.

Alright, I'm in.. (itshappening.gif)

 

[Tornicade]

I don't think inBoobie has talked about Lebron getting 20/20/20 since.... Antawn Jamison

 

[westsidebob]

Keep in mind they have already paid over half his salary this season. I thought I read he had 8 mil left to be paid this year. So if Nets bought him out for let's say 60% of his salary that is left, Joe would get 4.8 mil and they save 3.2 mil. So minus what we would be paying him, which is whatever percent is left of a minimum contract, Joe is probably only losing a couple mil. If we gave him a couple extra mil with a TPE if that is possible, maybe he doesn't lose much of anything, but a couple mil isn't much of a sacrifice regardless for someone making that much, if they really want to win especially.

Of course, I don't know what a realistic number is for a buyout or what they usually are. Maybe every case differs. I don't think details are usually ever revealed. It could be higher or lower than that 60% number, that is just an example.

And honestly, I would assume Joe could play himself into a larger/longer contract if he became a vital piece of a championship team. But that is my opinion.

They get paid on a per day basis during the regular season. If my math is right (and if it's not, it's close) - Nets season runs from 10/5 through 4/13. That's 191 days. Tomorrow is day 138, which is 72.25% of the season. That would mean he's already been paid ~$18M and is owed about $6.9M.

You're right, every case differs.

The interesting point in the Cavs favor is that the Andy deal reduced their payroll by about $2.5M. EDITED TO REMOVE DUMB STATEMENT. The Cavs can only sign him for the pro-rated minimum or by using an exception other than a TPE.

Furthermore, if the Cavs sign him, they wouldn't have Bird rights on him and could only re-sign him next year for the minimum or via an exception (again, not a TPE).

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I don't think inBoobie has talked about Lebron getting 20/20/20 since.... Antawn Jamison

I mean I don't think it's something he could average. obviously, but I could totally see him have one game where he's just dominating and the game goes to over time or double OT and his statline ends up like 26/22/20 with or something, ha.

 

[Lyuokdea]

I don't think the TPE helps you - it can be used to claim a player off waivers -- but JJ's waiver value is $24M, which is much bigger than our TPE.

It doesn't help you sign a player to a contract after they pass through waivers and become a free agent.

As an example, If we wanted to (we don't), we could use the TPE to grab Hickson off waivers, if we wanted. He would have to come here, but we would be on the hook for his $6M salary and all the tax implications of that salary.

 

[westsidebob]

I don't think the TPE helps you - it can be used to claim a player off waivers -- but JJ's waiver value is $24M, which is much bigger than our TPE.

It doesn't help you sign a player to a contract after they pass through waivers and become a free agent.

As an example, If we wanted to (we don't), we could use the TPE to grab Hickson off waivers, if we wanted. He would have to come here, but we would be on the hook for his $6M salary and all the tax implications of that salary.

Close.

If JJ's on waivers, the claiming team would be responsible for the remaining amount of his salary - about 30%, or $1.8M.

If the Cavs wanted to claim him, it would cost them $1.8M of the $2.3M Mike Miller TPE. Since luxury tax is calculated on the team's salary at the end of the season, they'd still be ~$700k below where they were before the Andy deal.

The difference between him and Johnson is that if they claim Hickson, they'd have his Bird rights.