JR Smith

[Cavatt]

Dekker can't be involved in a trade after the season and that is when JR is most valuable. Everyone including Hill and Korver are worth full value until the trade deadline.

They have had a cancer this year, so not sure they'd want Smith to play. They'd trade Brandon Knight in all likelihood, but that wouldn't get them anywhere near under the cap. They'd need to trade Gordon as well as a dump and Tucker to have cap space of any kind.

That would be a reason they might do it at the deadline. Let us pay 3/4 of his salary and pay the last bit get dekker and cut him in the offseason.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

I'm saying they trade for JR and Dekker now. It helps them now get more rotation players. JRs contract is valuable to them so they can pair it with Gordon's contract in the summer in a opt in and trade like CP3 did 2 years ago. It's not about getting cap space to sign someone out right but to do a opt in and trade.

They will most likely want to dump Melo to another team and not chance him clearing waivers. Other teams aren't going to do Houston any favors on the waiver wire and I can't see a team risking picking up Melo. It better just to sign Melo so everyone knows they are on the same page. Melo might actually get extra money if someone wants to use their Bi-annual or part of their MLE to sign him.

The way I see it is they would have to give up a decent 2nd round pick to dump Melo. Same if they wanted a player like Dekker. No one want their current 2nd round pick because it most likely will be between 50-60. Giving up their 2019 1st round pick isn't that much more than having to find good 2nd round picks. JRs contract gives them more certainty to execute a opt in and trade deal. Like you said above, they don't have a good path to cap space, if Knight gets hurt after the deadline, they can kiss getting better in the summer good bye.

Also JR has a 6/30/19 opt in date while Korver has a 7/7/19 and Hill has a 7/2/19. That makes a difference in how they can be used.

Yes but Korver and Hill are only worth $3.4M and $1M in trade after the deadline before those opt in dates because their deals were signed under the new CBA.

I don't understand what the Rockets could dangle that would make the Cavs want to take Brandon Knight next year. A low first rounder? Maybe if they throw out two firsts without protection I think about it.

And using JR in a the way you express means giving him next year. Maybe it could work in some opt in circumstance where they can clear his salary, but it's a tight window.

The Finals will finish by June 15. They'll have at least two weeks after the Finals to trade Smith and let the other team cut him before his salary guarantees.

Smith's highest value is in June. Unless someone blows you away for that contract, you wait. Worst case scenario - you cut him and save $14M next year if no one wants him in June. But someone will want him.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

That would be a reason they might do it at the deadline. Let us pay 3/4 of his salary and pay the last bit get dekker and cut him in the offseason.

There's no benefit to cutting him. Getting Dekker would give them Bird Rights on him. But what benefit is that for the Cavs? Take Brandon Knight back and what else? A #20+ pick? Is that worth having your salary cap space eaten up for another year.

There will be other teams like the Clippers, Knicks, Nets, and others that will want space to pursue big name free agents. You'll get the best boon from them.

 

[Cavatt]

There's no benefit to cutting him. Getting Dekker would give them Bird Rights on him. But what benefit is that for the Cavs? Take Brandon Knight back and what else? A #20+ pick? Is that worth having your salary cap space eaten up for another year.

There will be other teams like the Clippers, Knicks, Nets, and others that will want space to pursue big name free agents. You'll get the best boon from them.

Sorry meant cut JR. That was not obvious the way I worded it.

I'd want #20 and Melton as a backup to Sexton.

 

[inliner311]

Yes but Korver and Hill are only worth $3.4M and $1M in trade after the deadline before those opt in dates because their deals were signed under the new CBA.

I don't understand what the Rockets could dangle that would make the Cavs want to take Brandon Knight next year. A low first rounder? Maybe if they throw out two firsts without protection I think about it.

And using JR in a the way you express means giving him next year. Maybe it could work in some opt in circumstance where they can clear his salary, but it's a tight window.

The Finals will finish by June 15. They'll have at least two weeks after the Finals to trade Smith and let the other team cut him before his salary guarantees.

Smith's highest value is in June. Unless someone blows you away for that contract, you wait. Worst case scenario - you cut him and save $14M next year if no one wants him in June. But someone will want him.

Either way if you are going to use JRs contract you are taking back a player and salary. If you wait like you said the window is tight and the opt in date isn't optimal. A pick in the 20's plus whatever you can pump up Brandon Knights value up to move in the summer or next year's trade deadline. We got a first round pick for Sessions, I think Knight is a better talent. If the trade ended up netting us 2 first round picks at the end, I think it's worth it. We have seen alot of talk about expirings in the past which ends up getting us nothing. If a deal is on the table we should take it.

Korver and Hill should be moved at the deadline this year but the interesting part of their deals is the flip side of the JR type contract. If a team is over the cap and have a player on a similar guaranteed salary as Korver or Hill, that team can add Korver and Hill relatively easy. Lets take the Sixers if they get up to the cap they could trade some player making ~1 million for Hill and add 20 million in salary. Which I could see them doing if they get another max wing players to pair with Butler, Embiid, and Simmons, adding a Hill would be a huge win now move to top it off. That cheap player would have to be good or we get an asset for our trouble.

 

[inliner311]

There's no benefit to cutting him. Getting Dekker would give them Bird Rights on him. But what benefit is that for the Cavs? Take Brandon Knight back and what else? A #20+ pick? Is that worth having your salary cap space eaten up for another year.

There will be other teams like the Clippers, Knicks, Nets, and others that will want space to pursue big name free agents. You'll get the best boon from them.

I don't think we will have cap space to really work with this summer. Even if we decline all three of Hill, JR, and Korver's options we just will have ~15 million in cap space. We might as well use our higher salary levels with expirings and roll them over to gain assets, unless Love comes to the front office and says he has an All-Star friend who is interested in joining the team next year. If we want a max cap slot we will have to move TT for an expiring.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Sorry meant cut JR. That was not obvious the way I worded it.

I'd want #20 and Melton as a backup to Sexton.

Okay. I'd be game for that. Melton is interesting and that would be worth it. It is only a year of Brandon Knight.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Either way if you are going to use JRs contract you are taking back a player and salary. If you wait like you said the window is tight and the opt in date isn't optimal. A pick in the 20's plus whatever you can pump up Brandon Knights value up to move in the summer or next year's trade deadline. We got a first round pick for Sessions, I think Knight is a better talent. If the trade ended up netting us 2 first round picks at the end, I think it's worth it. We have seen alot of talk about expirings in the past which ends up getting us nothing. If a deal is on the table we should take it.

Korver and Hill should be moved at the deadline this year but the interesting part of their deals is the flip side of the JR type contract. If a team is over the cap and have a player on a similar guaranteed salary as Korver or Hill, that team can add Korver and Hill relatively easy. Lets take the Sixers if they get up to the cap they could trade some player making ~1 million for Hill and add 20 million in salary. Which I could see them doing if they get another max wing players to pair with Butler, Embiid, and Simmons, adding a Hill would be a huge win now move to top it off. That cheap player would have to be good or we get an asset for our trouble.

Have to see what Knight looks like when he returns. I'm not against the idea, but I don't know if Houston would love it.

I'm all for moving players and taking on salary if it means getting assets, but I want the assets to be worth the pain. Knight is not a bad deal since his contract ends next year and will not limit the long term cap space of the team. But I don't know how beneficial that trade would be. JR is better than Knight now, but Knight is not playing. If Knight is productive upon return, Houston won't be interested.

 

[inliner311]

Have to see what Knight looks like when he returns. I'm not against the idea, but I don't know if Houston would love it.

I'm all for moving players and taking on salary if it means getting assets, but I want the assets to be worth the pain. Knight is not a bad deal since his contract ends next year and will not limit the long term cap space of the team. But I don't know how beneficial that trade would be. JR is better than Knight now, but Knight is not playing. If Knight is productive upon return, Houston won't be interested.

I think Houston might take into account Knights injury history, like I said before, if Knight is injured he is a bad contract for Houston. JR being healthy, injured, crazy, or a perfect team player doesn't matter to how Houston will want to use his contract this summer. I wouldn't take less than a 1st round pick if we are taking on Melo's contract this year and Brandon Knights for next year. At minimum, Knight becomes an expiring at the deadline next year. We then have Clarkson, Knight, and TT all on expirings.

Houston is in win now mode and their window is really only open as long as CP3 is playing at a high level.

 

[Cavatt]

I think Houston might take into account Knights injury history, like I said before, if Knight is injured he is a bad contract for Houston. JR being healthy, injured, crazy, or a perfect team player doesn't matter to how Houston will want to use his contract this summer. I wouldn't take less than a 1st round pick if we are taking on Melo's contract this year and Brandon Knights for next year. At minimum, Knight becomes an expiring at the deadline next year. We then have Clarkson, Knight, and TT all on expirings.

Houston is in win now mode and their window is really only open as long as CP3 is playing at a high level.

Would you rather have Melton or their late 1st rounder?

 

[inliner311]

Would you rather have Melton or their late 1st rounder?

Melton is on the Suns now so if he isn't breaking into their rotation as a PG and is assigned to the G-league, I don't see him cracking our rotation. He must have been traded in the Knight for Ryan Anderson deal.

Regardless I would have probably rather taken the chance on a pick in the 20's than a guy picked #47 that a team is willing to give up this early in his career.

 

[Cavatt]

Melton is on the Suns now so if he isn't breaking into their rotation as a PG and is assigned to the G-league, I don't see him cracking our rotation. He must have been traded in the Knight for Ryan Anderson deal.

Regardless I would have probably rather taken the chance on a pick in the 20's than a guy picked #47 that a team is willing to give up this early in his career.

Whoa didn't realize he got traded. Just saw him in summer league and thought he looked good. Good call.

 

[avs2000]

Who didn't realize he got traded. Just saw him in summer league and thought he looked good. Good call.

Someone will give us a good deal for jr at some point. They will be desperate for offense off the bench and his contract makes it low risk if not of benefit

 

[Simmy]

View: https://twitter.com/TheRealJRSmith/status/1067618262798790656

 

[chuck0609]

I don't think we will have cap space to really work with this summer. Even if we decline all three of Hill, JR, and Korver's options we just will have ~15 million in cap space. We might as well use our higher salary levels with expirings and roll them over to gain assets, unless Love comes to the front office and says he has an All-Star friend who is interested in joining the team next year. If we want a max cap slot we will have to move TT for an expiring.

I was under the impression the cap space would really be available the summer of 2020, not 2019.
Zion, Sexton and another lottery pick in 2020. That’s three with Cedi, Zizic, Nance and the cap room.