Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Skinny Love is a much more efficient scorer than Fat Love from long-range, which is what we need on this team.

There's also a difference between being relied on to do everything vs. complementing the talents of two other superstars as a 3rd fiddle.

That's not true man. How did you come up with that? Anyways.. Love had a better FG% and TS% in his Minnesota days.
He was a much better finisher inside and was more or less the same 3pt shooter that he is now.

It doesn't matter, it is what it is but he isn't a more efficient scorer now and as for defense.. if he is indeed a better defender it's marginal.

 

[Kbiz]

That's not true man. How did you come up with that? Anyways.. Love had a better FG% and TS% in his Minnesota days.
He was a much better finisher inside and was more or less the same 3pt shooter that he is now.

It doesn't matter, it is what it is but he isn't a more efficient scorer now and as for defense.. if he is indeed a better defender it's marginal.

So i guess making the most 3's per game in your career while averaging your second-best 3 pt. percentage in your career over a single season is more or less the same. Makes sense.

Also, look at his defensive stats, specifically isolation and pick n' roll. He is much better when he has less weight on him.

 

[Derek]

So i guess making the most 3's per game in your career while averaging your second-best 3 pt. percentage in your career over a single season is more or less the same. Makes sense.

Also, look at his defensive stats, specifically isolation and pick n' roll. He is much better when he has less weight on him.

How dare you try to bring facts into this

 

[Lee]

As for the weight, I don't know why people still can't see why he took the weight off. He wants to prolong his career and fit in with LeBron better. Bigger Kevin Love means slower Kevin Love and a worse defender. All the people complaining about him being to skinny would be right back in here complaining about fat Kevin love getting killed in every pick and roll, and you know I'm right.

Or its because some of us just prefer bears.

 

[Kbiz]

How dare you try to bring facts into this

Aside from these stat things that apparently don't reflect how players are performing compared to their baseline unless they support your argument, the simple eye-test is all we need.

Pre-January Love, AKA pre-injury Love, K-Love was shooting the three beautifully. His release was the quickest and most fluid I had seen as a Cav. I don't have to dig deep to prove this thanks to Skinny K-Love's performance in November where he tied his career high for 3 pointers made in a game, all in one quarter.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rztHIQI6OnI

 

[bleedwineandgold03]

Aside from these stat things that apparently don't reflect how players are performing compared to their baseline unless they support your argument, the simple eye-test is all we need.

Pre-January Love, AKA pre-injury Love, K-Love was shooting the three beautifully. His release was the quickest and most fluid I had seen as a Cav. I don't have to dig deep to prove this thanks to Skinny K-Love's performance in November where he tied his career high for 3 pointers made in a game, all in one quarter.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rztHIQI6OnI

Gosh this game made me geez like if i was sleeping with shakira and Beyonce at the same time lol

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[Just Checkin]

Love's best season in Minnesota weren't during his fat years either, after his body transformation he later went to put up his best seasons as a pro, including this one where he is closer to his last year in Minny. He lost way too much weight before he became a Cavalier, this season is the closest to the Minny Love that people talk about.

That fat Love had a nice 30-30 game though, but other than that you take the skinnier Love every single day.

 

[Real Deal]

Both Love and Korver practiced today!!

 

[texascavsfan]

Gosh this game made me geez like if i was sleeping with shakira and Beyonce at the same time lol

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Shakira is 'tap dead center" but I'm not playing Eskimo brother with Jay Z under any circumstances...

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I wouldn't say Love is better than Minny Love. He was an absolute monster. It's hard to top seasons like that.

I will say that this year, putting 20/10 up on a title contender and obviously carrying our rebounding on his back, along with playing the best D he's played in awhile is super impressive. I would rank this season right up there with his insane stat seasons in Minnesota. I'm sure if you erased Kyrie and Bron from the team,hed probably go back to being a 26-14 guy or whatever. But we're the #1 seed and gunning for the title so the sacrifice is well worth it.

 

[scopedog]

I'll let the condescending "where were you?" comment slide.

There's no proof that he actually lost weight. We just have a bunch of photograph detectives, which are the worst types of detectives.

Plus, it's already been proven that Cavs Love is better than Fat Minnesota Love.

I'm glad he's in good shape. Makes him a much better all-around player.

I was actually talking about the Kevin Love of this season pre-food poisoning where he had a chance to stack on muscle in the off season compared to the previous 2 years. To me the one we got wasn't skinny Love. It was a bigger muscular in shape Love and he was fucking bullying the shit out of people and balling out. If he's lost some of that mass over being sick and then injured then trust me its gonna show in the post with him back to getting pushed around.

There's a clear difference between the skinny Love we had in the first 2 years and the one we got earlier in this season. He was sort of a hybrid of his past and future, faster but also able to bang down low.

I understand the confusion though. I wasn't clear enough about what I was saying considering another conversation is going on about Minny Love.

 

[cavsLTU]

Aside from these stat things that apparently don't reflect how players are performing compared to their baseline unless they support your argument, the simple eye-test is all we need.

Pre-January Love, AKA pre-injury Love, K-Love was shooting the three beautifully. His release was the quickest and most fluid I had seen as a Cav. I don't have to dig deep to prove this thanks to Skinny K-Love's performance in November where he tied his career high for 3 pointers made in a game, all in one quarter.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rztHIQI6OnI

Look at the bench, we transformed our bench quite drastically over the course of this season

 

[Pierre Pan]

View: https://twitter.com/chrisfedor/status/842068499832930304

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

So i guess making the most 3's per game in your career while averaging your second-best 3 pt. percentage in your career over a single season is more or less the same. Makes sense.

Also, look at his defensive stats, specifically isolation and pick n' roll. He is much better when he has less weight on him.

I don't want to argue with you too much. I rather keep my friendship with the few people that give me likes from time to time.. to balance that Post/Like ratio.
I'll go to war against Bimbo though.

Anyways, I think Love just takes more wide open 3's as a Cav and his 3pt% right after he first broke out has been pretty consistent throughout his career hovering at around .37%. Other than his injury year and the season he shot the 3 ball at .417%
I would expect Love to shoot around .40% with the amount of open looks he gets with this team tbh.

As for the Fat Love debate, I really think he lost that weight because he wanted to look better and there is nothing wrong with that.
I don't think it was mainly a basketball decision and if I were famous and started to become self concious about my looks I would lose that weight and never look back.

Love helps us on the defensive end because of his rebounds, not because of his PnR defense.. I think his 15 RPG > his 12.5 RPG impact wise, even with his improvement in PnR defense.
But, I don't know the % of his uncontensed rebounds so I can't really know for sure.

On offense I think i'll definitely take Fat Love because he would abuse Durant in the post. Right now, Kevin has problems backing down his man. He never had a very refined post game so his brute strength was something else. Even if he missed the shot he would often rebound his miss. Kevin tends to miss a lot of point blank shots, his FG% around the rim was much better back then and it's sometimes frustrating watching an all-star big man miss easy shots.

But to make my point clearer, I was generally talking about Love in Minnesota and that included his 2013-2014 which was his best season. His advanced numbers were insane back then. I don't think he could replicate that even if you put him on a team similar to Minnesota where he can be the number 1 option.

 

[Derek]

My main gripe isn't really whether he's better now vs when he was in Minnesota (I'd still say this season he has played better all-around than at any other point in his career). My real gripe is that any time there's a picture of Kevin Love we have a whole bunch of people breaking it down and analyzing how much weight he's lost, and proceeding to complain about it.

I doubt he's actually lost any weight since his knee surgery. We just have a bunch of photograph detectives, who are just looking for something to bitch about.