Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Mdog1]

Yes, our front office really, really screwed up in multiple ways. First by trading a young star for basically the 8th pick in the draft and nothing else of value. Then by not including said 8th pick in a trade near the deadline to procure decent, non-Rodney Hood like talent. Does Bron stay here if we end up with Kemba? Maybe not. Maybe so! But even if not, it would have been worth it to pair up Lebron with another shot creator in the playoffs last year.

Fans on this board never appreciated what they had. There were many eagerly wanting what we have now....a bottom of the barrel team without any true building blocks.

It was definitely an amazing run, but the air got sucked out of potentially one of the greatest rivalries in sports history by a coward.

 

[6.19.2016]

The Heat are a good example of how hard it really is to get back into contention once those one or two critical stars either leave or age out. They have a good organization, good coach, good free agent location...and it is just the difference between being a fringe playoff team and a really bad team. Not the difference between a true contender and a bad team. The NBA is all about stars and unless you are very lucky it takes a decade or more to replace stars once you lose them. That's why I was so pissed about FO decisions the last year or two, because I saw this team blowing our shot at the one indispensable and irreplaceable element to NBA success.

I've said before that you basically need two out of three of very good drafting/trading, good retention of incumbent UFAs, and of plucking away top UFAs, in order to sustain an NBA contender for at least a several-year run i.e. what we just did or what the Heat did before. (We generally bombed the first, but retaining Love in 2015 and Bron in '16 count for the 2nd, and acquiring Bron in '14 counts for the 3rd.)

 

[6.19.2016]

The comparison isn't entirely their game. The comparison is based more so on their impact and the cost of it. Which is pretty much none while probably on the worst contract in the NBA currently. This will be Love's second team to be "the man." If he doesn't step up in a big way as you mentioned, then the naysayers will be right about him again. There is still a really good shot he is an all-star in the atrocious East again, but it will be an empty accomplishment. Just like his Minny days where it was all stats and nothing to show for it.

It's possible for both of the following to be true:
-Love is a empty-stat guy in some particular matchups, and unfortunately some pretty key ones; this can be deduced from how Jeff Green was better against the '18 Celts then him, and RJeff was better against the '16 Warriors than him.
-This does not mean that Love is overall an empty-stats guy in all matchups.

There would've been a significant "market correction" if teams were able to tell that he were an empty-statter across the board, and he would be averaging much less than his coming contract if so; "even" the Cavs would be able to tell that.

Ryno's contract is worse than Love's simply because the '16 market was a one-time fluke and was nothing like the '18 market.

The irony is he really wasn't that far from the best UFA openly (i.e. not LeBron that year) available in 2016. Basically everyone except coward, including the few other guys who were actual difference-makers like Horford (who was one of the few who was at all actually "worth it,") ended up being a big overpay down the road if teams wanted to make moves to "do something."

 

[BodegaBayCav]

I see that Houston is reported to be offering four #1 picks fo Butler http://www.basketballinsiders.com/sources-rockets-offer-four-first-round-picks-for-jimmy-butler/

I wonder if they wouldn't offer us something similar (maybe 3) for Love, with us taking the Brandon Knight contract off their hands.

More and more, it looks like Cavs are going to have to play the young guys.
I do not see Lue being an effective coach with this group, and Dan may need to swallow his pride and take the developmental losses, over playing the old vets and still losing.

 

[BrutX15]

I see that Houston is reported to be offering four #1 picks fo Butler http://www.basketballinsiders.com/sources-rockets-offer-four-first-round-picks-for-jimmy-butler/

I wonder if they wouldn't offer us something similar (maybe 3) for Love, with us taking the Brandon Knight contract off their hands.

You mean 3 2nd round picks, correct? Butler is younger, a far better player, fits their team perfectly as a superior Ariza replacement, and there is no locked into Love at $30 mil per for 5 years. Not to mention they are trying to beat GS, and they are fully aware of how inept Love is vs a team like GS. If any team offered one first round pick for Love, that would be a miracle.

 

[shukle]

People are going to have to get around the fact that Love at 30mil is probably a negative asset...

 

[Cavatt]

People are going to have to get around the fact that Love at 30mil is probably a negative asset...

I think he probably is. However the simplified defense where he doesn't aeitvhbis going to help a lot. Also, once they start him with either Nance other Zizic he is going to look better. TT starting has a shelf life.

He is better than he is showing now. For some reason while traditionally teams have trouble shooting in Oct, most teams have come out this year scorching hot. I think Love returns to being an elite shooter.

 

[Huber.]

You mean 3 2nd round picks, correct? Butler is younger, a far better player, fits their team perfectly as a superior Ariza replacement, and there is no locked into Love at $30 mil per for 5 years. Not to mention they are trying to beat GS, and they are fully aware of how inept Love is vs a team like GS. If any team offered one first round pick for Love, that would be a miracle.

If the Cavs can get a first round pick out of Ramon Sessions they can get a first round pick out of Kevin Love. Lets just hope they don't turn Love into the likes of Tyler Zeller this time.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Loves pussy is hurt again

 

[FrontPageNews]

A month lmao. Without love we might accidentally win a few games. Get your ass out there tank commander.

 

[artimusprime]

A month lmao. Without love we might accidentally win a few games. Get your ass out there tank commander.

This is why it was a horrible idea to sign him to a multi year extension. Oh well on with the tank!!

 

[Douglar]

Cavs got playing time for Zizic now!!!

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

It is time to unleash Tristan! finally he will get out of the shadow of LeBron Kyrie & Love and he’ll be able to showcase his hidden talent that he kept secret from us

 

[enthb]

Loves pussy is hurt again

Cavs got playing time for Zizic now!!!

Yeah now only if TT and frye could come up with a sore toe. Thats 20 toes between them that significantly increases the chance for injury. Then maybe we can throw this young skilled center out there and find out if he can be a player or not.

I cant believe we signed love to a long term contract. If I was starting a team right now and my first pick was between love and zinc and love, I take zizic. Love just isn't the guy thats gonna get you anywhere that matters. I want guys that give 100% and show toughness. Zizic is already much better at help defense and understanding when to come off his man to help on penetration.

When you show me you are capable of playing defense and banging and then you choose to not do it, I dont want you on the team.

Also you dont see sexton focusing on every bump or scrape he gets for the next 10 minutes of the game. Im done with love. Cant stand to see him out there.

 

[cavsfever]

So many basic first impressions from that first 2014-15 season have been shown to be correct:

--Love isn't nearly as good a player as his Minnesota rep indicated

--Kyrie is pouty and immature, an offensive wizard but not a leader.

--Lebron is even greater than you thought he was.