Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Randolphkeys]

Inconsistent= not ready to see an NBA court?

Cedi has had two really good games and two poor ones. Same with Colin to a lesser extent.

Rodney Hood has had one "Good" game in a blowout loss and 3 poor games. Jordan has had some nice point totals I guess throughout the season but has been taking horribly inefficient shots, hardly ever passes, and is a bad defender. Thompson has been on par with how he has been the last two season which is consistently bad.

I just don't see how you can point to Cedi and Colin as being the main problem. I mean no shit their inconsistent one is a rookie, the other is a 2nd-year player who didn't get nearly enough playing time last year despite being on a team that was clearly half-assing the regular season, and despite the fact he was largely a productive player when he did play last year. But yeah they're the problem sure...

One reason for your trouble understanding my point is that you have chosen to ignore the thesis and get caught up in a detail. You have also chosen to make some leaps in logic about how I feel about the players who haven't been pulling their weight. Do you believe Kevin Love is the source of the losses? I see Love as a non-franchise player who is an elite role player. He is being paid to be an elite role player so that other positions can raise their games. Scapegoating Love for playing his style doesntake sense to me. I want to see the players who he is setting up play better in their roles.

 

[6.19.2016]

I just don't see how you can point to Cedi and Colin as being the main problem. I mean no shit their inconsistent one is a rookie, the other is a 2nd-year player who didn't get nearly enough playing time last year despite being on a team that was clearly half-assing the regular season, and despite the fact he was largely a productive player when he did play last year. But yeah they're the problem sure...

Where did he say that they were "the (main) problem" ? He appeared to 100% agree with bolded.

 

[Dshuks]

One reason for your trouble understanding my point is that you have chosen to ignore the thesis and get caught up in a detail. Do you believe Kevin Love is the source of the losses? I see Love as a non-franchise player who is an elite role player. He is being paid to be an elite role player so that other positions can raise their games. Scapegoating Love for playing his style doesntake sense to me. I want to see the players who he is setting up play better in their roles.

I never said Love is the main source for our losses, and I never said he was. My point is that Cedi, and Colin aren't either. You're the one who said they weren't ready to see an NBA court. If they aren't Hood, Clarkson really are not ready either.

 

[Dshuks]

Where did he say that they were "the (main) problem" ? He appeared to 100% agree with bolded.

Love is in place to be a facilitator and spacer on offense; a legit NBA player when much of the roster isn't ready to win NBA games. It's a bizarre belief some hold that if a guy is miscast as the #1 option but facilitates for others, he is the problem. No. The players who aren't ready yet to be on an NBA court are the problem. The hope is that with the right veterans around them, someday they will be worthy of their playing time.

I don't think he could be any more clear? Again my point has always been how are Cedi and Colin "not ready for their minutes" but Clarkson and Hood are?

 

[Randolphkeys]

I never said Love is the main source for our losses, and I never said he was. My point is that Cedi, and Colin aren't either. You're the one who said they weren't ready to see an NBA court. If they aren't Hood, Clarkson really are not ready either.

Then let me stay on topic up in here, fella.

 

[inliner311]

The young players lack consistency. I love the young core, but guys like Cedi and Sexton are going to make mistakes and have bad days. Perhaps I am showing my age, but I do believe the Cavs viewed Hood, Nance, Clarkson, and a few other young vets as guys with more ceiling to reach. They may or may not reach that ceiling, but I'm expressing what Altman hoped could possibly happen.

I understand Koby's thinking with guys like Clarkson, Nance, and Hood but Lue and this staff don't seem like the right group to get them to that ceiling. Lue hasn't got them to play more effectively, in Hoods case he is playing way less effectively. I know Lue worked with Clarkson in the offseason but I'm not sure what he did with him. You would think he would have tried to get him to create for others more and be less of a ball hog.

 

[Dshuks]

Then let me stay on topic up in here, fella.

I'm off topic by responding to a point you made in your own post in this thread? Ok, agree to disagree, whatever.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I'm off topic by responding to a point you made in your own post in this thread? Ok, agree to disagree, whatever.

You almost learned something.

 

[King_LebronJames23]

Kevin Love has to step up, I cannot ask non-all star player to step up.But he is all-star and has to do better.

 

[CavsFan07]

I just wanted to also thank him for absolutely obliterating several of my Draftkings lineups last night. Thanks man!

 

[I'mWithDan]

And I'd say they were wrong. Particularly on Hood and Clarkson.

And they need to suck it up, admiit it, and move on.

This is what separates the Miami's of the world from other organizations. They are good at understanding when they have made a mistake and organizationally, have a willingness to move on and give someone else a chance.

The Cavs are the opposite. The just KNOW these guys can be successful, they just need more time......they need a different system, they need to just push the ball more, yada, yada, yada.

Miami would have let Hood walk, traded Clarkson for a 2026 second round pick, played Cedi 30 minutes a game, played Sexton 30 minutes a game, taken their lumps but understood what they had in their young players.....and crafted a clear path forward.

Just look at their season vs. ours......Richardson being thrust in to a leading role is a good example of that. The Heat want to see if he can handle it because they are going nowhere. Maybe they back in to the playoffs but that is a secondary goal to roster assessment. They want to know if Richardson is a 1B, 2A, 2B or 3 when it comes to roster hierarchy. Knowing that is far more valuable to how they move forward than chasing a specific result (low playoff seed), in an effort to be "competitive" for one season. They have bigger goals than that.

The Cavs just have a front office and ownership group with no actual plan. And if there is even a semblance of a plan communicated to the general public or team, it can change 3-4 games in to it. That is underscored by our highest paid (and best player) not understanding what it is the team is doing. He doesn't understand why certain players are and are not playing and he is publicly stating that he thinks the organization is ignoring some of the lessons that have (or maybe better stated, should have) been learned while they were winning. That should be alarming to fans.

Instead, too many people are focusing on individual production on a game by game basis and missing the bigger problem here, that maybe our organization is just generally a dumpster fire that was temporarily extinguished by immense luck (Kyrie lottery) and good second chance fortune because of birth proximity (LeBron).

 

[joma]

If he gets his fg% above 40% by the new year maybe his trade value will be more than a second round pick.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The Cavs just have a front office and ownership group with no actual plan.

I agree with everything you wrote, but I do think it is possible that the front office does have an actual plan. The problem is that this front office didn't pick this coach, and this coach is not on board with their plan. The problem is compounded by an owner who believes it is possible to split the baby and satisfy both his front office and the coach.

And that isn't possible.

 

[BrutX15]

Let's just call it for what it is. DG had to pay someone on the roster that is (was) considered to be "all-star" caliber, just to make the LeBron departure not look as bad. Now we are stuck with an even more overpaid Ryan Anderson for another 5 years. If someone offered us a 2nd round pick for him, I would do it immediately just to get him off the books considering the team is going nowhere for the foreseeable future.

 

[KevinLoveFan]

Let's just call it for what it is. DG had to pay someone on the roster that is (was) considered to be "all-star" caliber, just to make the LeBron departure not look as bad. Now we are stuck with an even more overpaid Ryan Anderson for another 5 years. If someone offered us a 2nd round pick for him, I would do it immediately just to get him off the books considering the team is going nowhere for the foreseeable future.

Love does need to step up, and I'll be the first one to admit it as a fan. But the Ryan Anderson comparisons that I see now and then are analytically absurd. Anderson has ridiculously pliable and elastic motor skills (Love moves much more militaristically), can't rebound to save his life, but is a more consistent 3-ball shooter than Love (and that is frankly the only thing he does better than Love; Anderson can barely start, let alone ever have a 20/10 season). People only compare them because they are white stretch fours, but that's about all they have in common.