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Need love to work on his footwork (defense). Please work on your game during the offseason... PLEASE.
This season, Lue should (shudder) have the team practice the phuck playing with LBJ off the court.This is the first time Kyrie and Love directly felt the loss of a finals. Both were injured in 2015.
If they come back truly hungry and pissed off to become complete players. We got a shot.
It should piss them off that LeBron can't rest two friggin minutes without it going to hell. Time is now..
We give up Wiggins for Love. We can't get Butler for Love. Wolves get Butler without giving up Wiggins.
WTF, lol.
We give up Wiggins for Love. We can't get Butler for Love. Wolves get Butler without giving up Wiggins.
WTF, lol.
Wiggins was the only thing we gave up worth anything.
Anthony Bennett was truly, honestly, a throw in to make salaries work. And then we gave up a late 1st, non-lottery pick.
So, would you rather have Andrew Wiggins, as you know him right now, or Lavine, Dunn, and 7? I'd rather Lavine, Dunn, and 7. I'm not sure Wiggins ends up better than Lavine alone.
Wiggins was the only thing we gave up worth anything.
Anthony Bennett was truly, honestly, a throw in to make salaries work. Like I have no doubt that we wanted to include Bennett, and had we offered some other similarly salaried player, like Waiters, the Wolves would have accepted. Getting rid of Bennett's contract was a benefit for us, not just in hindsight, but the time. And then we gave up a late 1st, non-lottery pick.
So, would you rather have Andrew Wiggins, as you know him right now, or Lavine, Dunn, and 7? I'd rather Lavine, Dunn, and 7. I'm not sure Wiggins ends up better than Lavine alone.
Honestly, people need to go back and look at what we traded for Kevin Love. Yea, the number 1 pick is worth a lot because of what it potentially could be.
But they didn't get a HOFer, it would appear. I'm not even sure they got a guy who will make more than 2 all-star teams. And then Anthony Bennett, maybe the worst nba player ever, and Thad Young (the pick went to Philly, not Minnesota).
So.....is that really that much more than what Chicago just got? The pick is better, but the players, at least from a rebuilding standpoint, are not. And they weren't at the time, either.
Which goes back to this: NBA front offices are placing entirely too much value on draft picks and not enough on actualy NBA level talent. People look at that Kevin Love trade and say "look at how much we gave up." But ultimately, the position of the pick only matters depending on who you select. It's a crap shoot.
There's a very good chance in 3 years we will look back at the Bulls trade and conclude they get more value for Butler than the 'Wolves got for Kevin Love, even though most wouldn't agree at the moment.
They're basically clones overall. But one guy is at least healthy, and the other is coming off an ACL. Where his entire game relies on athleticism and explosion to be effective.
So, Wiggins in a vacuum just for that alone.
I agree that the injury means Wiggins has more value right now...but honestly, if you asked me to pick one of the two, I'd probably still pick LaVine.
Either way, I know if you asked me if I'd trade Wiggins for Dunn, Lavine, and 7, and I'd do it all day and twice on Sunday.
I wonder what the trade conversations looked like. If the Bulls asked for Wiggins, if the 'Wolves tried to do a deal around Wiggins so they could maybe keep the pick or Dunn....
At least we'll never lose sleep over this trade when it comes to him alone. Wiggins has been very, very, underwhelming IMO. Love to this day is easily better.
And I was a Wiggins guy (after Embiid). What only kills me, is our reluctance to not at least get Dieng back, while also including that Miami pick (look what Minny got back in the Butler trade).
If Minny wanted fat ass Bennett, I could care less.
That still, to this day, remains mind boggling with the number one pick in the draft, Flip's guy (RIP), and all the fucking ammo to get Minny to bend to our will, we didn't get the upper hand when Love was ready to walk.
Boy, would Dieng at starting center look pretty nice now.
chill mode through the regular season (and his team follows suit, which is fine until you play the best team in possibly the history of the NBA in the finals, where you have no track record of grinding out games defensively nor playing with any kind of urgency
And now we go into the offseason with the GOAT potentially gone after the upcoming year, an impossible opponent, our crazy owner canning the closest thing to a stable GM we've had since Wayne Embry and the probably blow up of what should have been a 2-3 Finals winning team in most normal NBA arcs.
I think there's an interesting point here that deserves more discussion. The Cavs have a lot of disadvantages when compared to GS. But what about our advantages over the rest of the league? We can beat any other team in the league any night. Whose to say a focused Cavs team, during the regular season, couldn't win 70 games? I would be really interested to see what we could do in the finals with home court advantage. We play so much better at the Q while we consistently struggle at Oracle, especially early in the series. This team AS IS is capable of winning a shitload of regular season games, forming good habits and possibly getting home court. Yea it's going to be tough with GS as good as they are, to have more wins at the end of the RS - but the point I am trying to make is there are things the cavs could do to give themselves a better chance in the finals beyond blowing up the team. If you are historically good, compared to 99% of the other teams in the league, how do you use that to try and gain an advantage LEADING up to the finals?
I think there's an interesting point here that deserves more discussion. The Cavs have a lot of disadvantages when compared to GS. But what about our advantages over the rest of the league? We can beat any other team in the league any night. Whose to say a focused Cavs team, during the regular season, couldn't win 70 games? I would be really interested to see what we could do in the finals with home court advantage. We play so much better at the Q while we consistently struggle at Oracle, especially early in the series. This team AS IS is capable of winning a shitload of regular season games, forming good habits and possibly getting home court. Yea it's going to be tough with GS as good as they are, to have more wins at the end of the RS - but the point I am trying to make is there are things the cavs could do to give themselves a better chance in the finals beyond blowing up the team. If you are historically good, compared to 99% of the other teams in the league, how do you use that to try and gain an advantage LEADING up to the finals?
Hey, thats MY Drum you're beating!Not possible. You'd have to kill LBJ to win 70. Love can't play back to back, kyrie doesn't give a shit and they're wholly disfunctional without LBJ.
The goal of this offseason is to lessen his load and become a better team with him off the court.
So far we're looking at LBJ playing 40 mins a night again, and 47 a night in the playoffs. At some point he won't be able to be superhuman.
Hey, thats MY Drum you're beating!