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chuck0609 said:
I disagree with this completely. Mobley’s lack of development is an organizational failure as it was entrusted to a coach who has no offensive identity.
it is purely on JBB and by extension Altman. Both are liable for it.
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I don't think its "purely on JBB" & Altman. I agree that JBB's "system" hasn't done Mobley any favors, but a big part of his lack of development rests on his own shoulders. More than anyone else on the team these last 3 years, Evan has had the freedom to make mistakes and try new things - his rope has been exceedingly long. He just hasn't taken advantage of it.
 
I agree on the lack strength. But Mobley just does not play with an edge. He gets punked easily when teams become overly physical. He's not a lost cause offensively, but the jump he needs to make is high. I dont know if he has the mental make up to be even a 2nd option on offense.
 
pinoycavsfan said:
I agree on the lack strength. But Mobley just does not play with an edge. He gets punked easily when teams become overly physical. He's not a lost cause offensively, but the jump he needs to make is high. I dont know if he has the mental make up to be even a 2nd option on offense.
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It's a lack of mental toughness pure and simple. He's a sissy.
 
Don-no-vann! said:
The biggest problem with Mobley IMO is that he's not very strong and gets pushed around too easily. It not only affects his ability to rebound but his ability to finish around the rim. Maybe he just needs to get stronger to get better.
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But he went to the sporting goods store and spent a few dollars on some weights and even gained 5 lbs.
 
I never bought the excuse "Mobley isn't developing because he is being stunted by win-now mode"

Of course there is some partial truth to it, yes he gets less touches.

But good organizations are absolutely able to develop young players while winning.

When you have a coach who is seemingly only interested in winning regular season games at all cost, that doesn't help. You're telling me he couldn't have schemed some stuff? We couldn't lose a couple games here and there?

I don't think anyone is talking about Chet Holmgren's development being stunted in OKC. And Jaylin Wiggins, and a couple other young guys.

Miami famously turns water into wine and starts G-leaguers in the finals.

Minnesota is embarrassing the defending champs right now and they start two fourth-year players.

Austin Reeves emerged as a player in LA and I'm pretty sure the Lakers are extremely win-now.

It's been 3 years. A large part of this is organizational failure at developing Mobley. A large part of this is on Mobley just being not good. Whether that's because the organization is telling him to work on the wrong things, or personal reasons, I don't know.

But you can't be putting the majority of the blame on the team being win-now. There has to be some "blame" on Mobley just...not being good, and not progressing.
 
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Kouki said:
I never bought the excuse "Mobley isn't developing because he is being stunted by win-now mode"

Of course there is some partial truth to it, yes he gets less touches.

But good organizations are absolutely able to develop young players while winning.

When you have a coach who is seemingly only interested in winning regular season games at all cost, that doesn't help. You're telling me he couldn't have schemed some stuff? We couldn't lose a couple games here and there?

I don't think anyone is talking about Chet Holmgren's development being stunted in OKC. And Jaylin Wiggins, and a couple other young guys.

Miami famously turns water into wine and starts G-leaguers in the finals.

Minnesota is embarrassing the defending champs right now and they start two fourth-year players.

Austin Reeves emerged as a player in LA and I'm pretty sure the Lakers are extremely win-now.

It's been 3 years. A large part of this is organizational failure at developing Mobley. A large part of this is on Mobley just being not good. Whether that's because the organization is telling him to work on the wrong things, or personal reasons, I don't know.

But you can't be putting the majority of the blame on the team being win-now. There has to be some "blame" on Mobley just...not being good, and not progressing.
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Precisely. Precisely. Precisely.
 
Minnesota has major fluke feel. The days of dynasties seem to be over. Will they even make the playoffs next year???
 
Smooth said:
Don't have a problem with the Strus deal -- he's been overly productive despite streaky shooting.. Even if he's not shooting well he's still contributing in other ways (rebounds, assists, spacing).. Think the problem is ideally he's your sixth man, or he's your shooting guard and you have an elite guard and wing combo..

Not sure what the rush was to give Niang $8M+ AAV for three years... That $8M range seems to be a deadspot any value: Gary Payon, TJ McConnell, Delon Wright, Jock Landale, Trey Lyles, and MO Wagner..
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I gave full throated endorsement to bringing Strus in. Although at times he makes intelligent, almost cerebral plays, at other times he does some shockingly brain dead shit.

I'm disappointed by his consistency at shooting from 3 point land. He tries very hard on defense but longer more superior players can feast on him.

My biggest and best hope for Max is that he just catches fire from behind the arc. i think he has that in him but it's a crapshoot if it will surface or not. If Max gets hot and starts draining threes the rest of the team will also catch fire from his momentum.
 
benchplayer said:
Just about everyone agrees that sticking with JBB was Altman's biggest mistake. However, his second biggest mistake was standing pat at the trade deadline.
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« We have what we need »….. ( two years in a Row at the deadline..)
 
I mean I guess we can say it's Mobley's fault, but then it's also all of our draft picks faults cause none of them have developed to projections.
 
I don't know, Mobley is better than in his rookie year. I think your projections are a little fast. If year 6 25 year old Mobley is producing at this level and rate of usage, I would be disappointed, but your missing positive signs as well of improved shot form, elite passing and improving physicality. It just takes time. Especially when he isn't getting the forced usage other similar types of players were given during their early years to develop.
 
I get frustrated watching Mobley these last couple games, but part of it is due to circumstances. He is just really not a center, he doesn't have the strength to not get bullied down low, and camping him in the middle takes away a lot of the things he's best at, besides getting blocks. We are not putting him in the best position to succeed by continuing to play him there.

He is far better on both ends of the ball playing PF.
 
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