My PG SG Combo

[Cleveland56]

SG - Bobby Simmons
PG - Antonio Daniels

Both unrestricted, and are good young hard-working players who can play defense. Neither will break the bank and they still should have $8 million left to play with.

Simmons is the next Joe Johnson/Michael Redd and he can be had for half the cost.

And Daniels is a 6'4" PG who is getting better every year..

 

[E-Light]

Simmons, and Antonio Daniels? Sounds mediocre! But, sounds good! We have to get something good, and they sound good.

I'm still sticking to my High-esteem players.

Ray Allen
Resign Z
Get a draft point guard some how.
Start Varejao
Get Eric Snow a jump shot.
Get Luke Jackson Health, and Contributing.
Make Sash, or Luke start.
Lebron @ point guard, or bench Sasha, and Luke, and start snow.

My pipe dream.

 

[Cleveland56]

They aren't going to be able to resign Z and Allen. They only have $20 million to spend...Ray Allen

-Resign Z - NO WAY. When this team is really competing (3 years) Z will be 33 and unable to move. Start over here. Try a sign and trade.
-Get a draft point guard some how. - Antonio Daniels MLE
-Start Varejao - Not ready to Start.
-Get Eric Snow a jump shot. - He is 30, not going to happen.
-Get Luke Jackson Health, and Contributing. - Lets hope so


Have you seen Bobby Simmons play? Check out his numbers on nba.com. He shot 43% from 3, can rebound, and can defend.

 

[NarlCavs]

Ray Allen is my #1 choice as a FA SG. Redd is #2. The reason is because all signs point to those 2 being the most likely to move on from their current teams. I don't see Hughes leaving Wash. and I think the Suns will match offers for Johnson. Recent comments from Redd indicate he's still open to leaving Milwaukee despite what he said after theh trade deadline.
Simmons is a backup plan if the Cavs can't get one of the higher profile players but I wouldn't have him as my top choice.

Daniels would probably still be my #1 choice for a FA PG but another player that's looking more appealing is Chris Duhon from the Bulls. His shot is still questionable but he can hit 3's, is a good defender and is a solid true PG. He's also still very young and could be a long term solution at PG for the Cavs. Daniels is almost 30. Duhon is restricted but the Bulls can only match offers up to the MLE.

The Cavs could have as much as $24-25 million in cap space depending on who they resign , what contract options they don't pick up and what the new cap is. Resigning Z and signing Allen is possible even if they do have $20 million in cap room.
Simmons only shot 39% from the field in the 2 seasons prior to this one. I like him but only at a reasonable contract and only if none of the better FA's can be signed.

 

[Cleveland56]

AD is 30. my bad. I still think he is worth the MLE.

Yeah Bobby Simmons is a backup plan, I agree. I just dont see the big SG's leaving...and from what i've seen and heard. I think this guy can do great things here.

Young point guards - Dan Dickau? Earl Watson from the Grizzlies? It might be Duhon....I didn't even think of him...

 

[Cleveland56]

Believe me, they won't be able to resign Z and Allen for $20 million. Z's agent is going to want over $10 million and Ray Allen already turned down a contract larger than $10 mil per year.

With Allen, they dont need Z. What does Z do best? He shoots the mid-range jumper well....Allen (or whatever SG) can take care of that, and whatever scoring we would lose from the Center Position.

Lets get Defense in the middle.

 

[West Remy]

Yeah Bobby Simmons is a backup plan, I agree. I just dont see the big SG's leaving...and from what i've seen and heard. I think this guy can do great things here.

I think Simmons might be (along with Joe Johnson) a better fit than Redd/Allen. Since the later two are stars, they might have slight ego clashes with King James taking the lion's share of the shots. But Johnson/Simmons are strong role players who wouldn't have any qualms with being a second option on offense. I like Johnson/Simmons more because of superior athleticism and defense. Simmons is built like a brick wall and can be a physical player (strong finisher and physical on defense), something Redd/Allen are not. I'd go for the cheaper, superior defenders who could make this squad more physical.

Just my opinion. Perhaps a whim, so don't think much about it.

 

[E-Light]

They aren't going to be able to resign Z and Allen. They only have $20 million to spend...Ray Allen

They can if they want to sign Z, and Ray Allen. Ole Gilbert will just have to open up the wallet.

-Resign Z - NO WAY. When this team is really competing (3 years) Z will be 33 and unable to move. Start over here. Try a sign and trade.

I expect to be competeing a lot sooner than 3 years. Z won't be unable to move, he's actually improved his mobility as he gets further away from surgery. And diminishing skills is something you don't see from guys with touch. The only way we do a sign and trade is if we get multiple picks, an all star, or competent center in return with pick. All of this is doubtful, not to mention we will not give into a sign and trade for Z when we could force him to sign for less. Z will either have to resign here, or sign for a MLE somewhere else, very doubtful he gives up that much money.

-Get a draft point guard some how. - Antonio Daniels MLE

Not exactly the youth I'm looking to develope behind Snow, who is untradeable unless we are taking on another big contract. Antonio Daniels is good player, but I want a less finished profuct at point who we can develope, and won't cost a mid level exception.

-Start Varejao - Not ready to Start.

That's a matter of opinion. I say he is, has all the skills needed to play next to Z, much more of a fit next to z than Gooden was this season.

-Get Eric Snow a jump shot. - He is 30, not going to happen.

i'd have to agree, but lets hope you're wrong.

Have you seen Bobby Simmons play? Check out his numbers on nba.com. He shot 43% from 3, can rebound, and can defend.

I'm not a very big fan of bobby simmons. He's had his one good year, this could mean he's only playing for a contract, or he's improved in his developement. He's not the 3 point shooter i'm looking for. He hardly took many threes this year. I'm looking for a more finished product. We have much different views on what should be done with the team, should be good for discussion in the future.

 

[Cleveland56]

yeah its nice to actually have an intellgient conversation on a cavs board...the espn board I felt like i was talking to 2 year olds...


lets hope whatever they do works!!! we both agree on that!

 

[aggressivestyle]

They can if they want to sign Z, and Ray Allen. Ole Gilbert will just have to open up the wallet.

you mean the nba has 2 get rid of the cap? If not then how are we gonna sign 2 players for around 10-14mil?

I expect to be competeing a lot sooner than 3 years. Z won't be unable to move, he's actually improved his mobility as he gets further away from surgery. And diminishing skills is something you don't see from guys with touch. The only way we do a sign and trade is if we get multiple picks, an all star, or competent center in return with pick. All of this is doubtful, not to mention we will not give into a sign and trade for Z when we could force him to sign for less. Z will either have to resign here, or sign for a MLE somewhere else, very doubtful he gives up that much money.

agree.

Not exactly the youth I'm looking to develope behind Snow, who is untradeable unless we are taking on another big contract. Antonio Daniels is good player, but I want a less finished profuct at point who we can develope, and won't cost a mid level exception.

watson is younger but will cost the mle or maybe alittle more..dunno who else we can get. We will need a PG that will back up snow and won't be 2 undeveloped to be a liability.

I'm not a very big fan of bobby simmons. He's had his one good year, this could mean he's only playing for a contract, or he's improved in his developement. He's not the 3 point shooter i'm looking for. He hardly took many threes this year. I'm looking for a more finished product. We have much different views on what should be done with the team, should be good for discussion in the future.

he has improved every season and he finally won himself a starting job.He is a 3pt shooter. Redd doesn't have the defense and simmons does.

we needed more that redd or allen to improve to make us great. Infact, West Remy brings up a really really good point! We need the role players. Bobby and Johnson also hughes are 3 guys that play defense and are guys that fights for shots. They are a different breed of players than a redd or allen. Those guys are #1 options.

You think with redd or allen here will be scoring 20+ points? it's possible but i wouldn't count on it.

 

[E-Light]

you mean the nba has 2 get rid of the cap? If not then how are we gonna sign 2 players for around 10-14mil?

The Salary cap will NOT stop us from signing Ray Allen whilst resigning Z. It is whether Gilbert will be willing to take on that kind of financial responsibility that is in question. And gilbert hasn't proven he's willing to spend the money that it takes to get both in here. It is possible, call it a pipe dream.

 

[Cleveland56]

I just don't think Z is worth anymore than $8 million dollars. He is a liability on defense, and a black hole on offense. I just don't like his game...and I think if we commit half our cap to him this summer, we are in trouble

just of note:
when I mean competing, i mean for the Title, we aren't going to win the next two years....the nba doesn't work that way.

 

[Glen Infante]

I like the idea of bringing both of those players to our squad. My only concern is that I think LA is high on Bobby since he has majorly improved and will probably look to resign him for next season.

 

[E-Light]

just of note:
when I mean competing, i mean for the Title, we aren't going to win the next two years....the nba doesn't work that way.

With my plan we will be competing in the next year championship! I'm sick of all this wait til next year crap. We have our super star, it is time to make next year this year!

We resign Z. In order to be championship calibur you must have a post threat, or michael jordan, well we have lebron but still bron not a jordan.

We sign the best shooter on the market, Ray Allen.

If

Z/Tractor
Varejao/Evans i like too, but might not be able to sign w/o MLE, don't have.
Bron/Luke Jackson
Ray Allen/Sasha
Snow/Bron/Draft Pick

doesnt make us championship calibur while still staying young, I don't know what will!

Gilbert must open that wallet! Get the best players, and coach available Phil!!

Pipe Dream, but we need to contend now! No more wait and sitting on the hands, that will not take you anywhere!

-gooden would be moved to bring in draft pick.

 

[Cleveland56]

I didn't see Gooden on your lineup...and we don't have a draft pick next year ...

Basically I would like to see this 8/9 man rotation next year::

PG: Snow and Fill in (Daniels, Watson, Duhon, Dickau)
SG/SF: LBJ - Simmons - Fill in (Luke or Sasha)
PF: Gooden and Varejo
C: Traylor (backup) and a replacement for Z (this is where they need to find a good defensive big guy)