My PG SG Combo

[TyGuy]

Even though they put up similar stats, I would say that Joe is the better player. Sure Simmons shoots a somewhat comparable 3 point percentage but joe is #2 in the league at an increddible .47 % and has more three point makes than simmons has attempts (177). Joe is also the supperior ball handler and would often times play point when nash took a seat. If we could get Joe, I would much rather spend the extra money to aquire his services. I still think you need to target redd first because he is unrestricted. If not, see if allen will go for around 10 and if not then go get Joe

 

[West Remy]

If Cleveland could get Watson/Johnson or Daniels/Johnson, the perimeter defense would do a 360. Pick-and-rolls or pick-and-pops would hurt the team a LOT less and the overall defense of the team would be less lousy. I'm sure a guy like Allen would help the Cleveland offense score over 100 a night but I always thought Cleveland's defensive struggles outweighed the offensive ones.

 

[Cleveland56]

Phoenix is going to match anything we offer. Their GM stated that this past week...I wouldn't put much thought into Joe Johnson. It is very unlikely.

Redd/Hughes/Simmons are all unrestricted and should be the main focus for SG.

 

[West Remy]

Cleveland needs to pressure Phoenix to make sure they hold their word about Johnson. Don't let a bluff or mere words scare you off. In the end, you at least force them to fork up more cash to show they were serious. Johnson is worth the effort, even if he gets matched in the end. If that's the case, head for Simmons as option 2.

 

[Dungong]

The problem with forcing Phoenix to match is that it ties up that money for 14 days. So even if its a bluff, it'll be a scary one because you'll likely see that maybe Joe Johnson gets signed while the other target players like Redd, Allen, and Simmons drop out of the market.

Also, how exactly would $20 mill in cap space be sufficient to sign both Z and Allen? I mean I'd like to see it happen, but both of those guys will be able to get near-max contract offers

 

[West Remy]

If that's the case, Simmons should be the first stop. Isn't he an UFA? Sterling might try to low ball Simmons for 3 million or so a year and he could be had.

 

[Pioneer10]

We have to pressure Phoenix: 60 million for q, 60 million for Nash, max for the Matrix, and another big max for Amare. 3 -4 first rounds draft over the next two years. The way Phoenix drafts I seriously doubt they sign JJ, if we give him the max. SG,SF are the most abundant talent wise in the NBA and the Suns are as good as anybody at drafting people

If we can get Z back for 10 million. My ideal offseason: resign Z, sign JJ, and trade Sasha and the expiring contract of Harris to the Bulls for Duhon. The bulls need a true SG who can defend and Sasha would be a very good fit with both Hinrich and Gordon.
Duhon would be perfect for the Cavs: our shooting will be significantly better with JJ and luke back. Thus Duhon who is a terrific defender and has an improving jump shot would be basically a young version of Snow to groom

The other scenario I would like see is resign Z and get him to recruit Jasivcious(sp?) his Lithuanin body. Some guys in the international forum think he's the best foreign player out there. With those two we then wouldn't have as much cash but should have enought to get Simmons. Simmons is an UFA

 

[Dungong]

The Lithuanian guy has long been reguarded by LOTS of people as pretty much the best player not playing in the NBA right now. The only problem is that the guy seems pretty happy with that

 

[King]

Im really interested in the lithuanian pg. I heard his contract over in Europe is only around 2mill, so maybe if we guarantee him a starting job, more money, and a chance to play with his buddy Z he could be persuaded to play here.

I would take the chance on offering JJ a contract. Its risky to have to wait 14 days for Phoenix to match, but I think hes worth it. He would be a great compliment to Lebron and hes still improving his game a lot. We would probably offer him about 9mill a year, and I dont think the Suns can afford to match that.

I wouldnt be too excited about Simmons coming here. I'm still not sold on him being the kind of player or shooter we need. He doesnt even average 2 3point attempts a game. I wouldnt mind us getting him though. He would definetly be an upgrade over what we have now at sg.

 

[aggressivestyle]

If that's the case, Simmons should be the first stop. Isn't he an UFA? Sterling might try to low ball Simmons for 3 million or so a year and he could be had.

many are projecting that bobby would get a Qrich,crawford type deal. 6 Years, $45 Million, starting at $5.8 Million. I think if we give him 6.5 clips might not answer back because the clips doesn't have that history.

i would love JJ or hughes but i seriiously don't know if thats possible. Redd and Allen wouldn't be good imo.. But if i had 2 pick from the 2 i would rather get allen.

 

[Coyote]

I wouldnt be too excited about Simmons coming here. I'm still not sold on him being the kind of player or shooter we need. He doesnt even average 2 3point attempts a game. I wouldnt mind us getting him though. He would definetly be an upgrade over what we have now at sg.

Anybody would be an upgrade, especially offensively. (Are there clues to when Ira will rip off 16 pts.? Moon cycles? Power bars?)

Ditto about Simmons. One good year, and not under much pressure. What I like about JJ is that he waited his turn and stepped up on a high-pressure team. If he's a huge factor in the playoffs, though, I can't see how Phoenix will let him go. He'd be my first choice b/c of his D. But again, upgrades....

I think we're stuck with Snow, but it could be a lot worse. If he can find a way to manage 10/10 per game, I'd be thrilled. He still runs and has a head on his shoulders. This could be the position we address summer 2006 (especially if we lose Z).

To throw this out there: do we clear Harris, Sasha or Jackson and look for a pure shooter off the bench? Where do y'all think Korver will end up?

 

[Karma]

Basically I would like to see this 8/9 man rotation next year::

PG: Snow and Fill in (Daniels, Watson, Duhon, Dickau)
SG/SF: LBJ - Simmons - Fill in (Luke or Sasha)
PF: Gooden and Varejo
C: Traylor (backup) and a replacement for Z (this is where they need to find a good defensive big guy)

Ugh, I dont like that lineup. To me that is just keeping us at the same level. We improve our perimeter play, but degenerate inside. What creates the space on the perimeter for Simmons and James. I see alot of tractor Traylor 20 footers with that lineup.

So many pro's and con's with who we chase and what they bring to us. We all agree though, with a resigned Z and any one of those guys we are a much improved team.

 

[Cleveland56]

It matters the cost of a resigned Z. The fact is he wants over $10 million...screw that. He is a slow bad defensive player who shoots 15 footers well. I like Z, but he is just not a fit on this team anymore...Explore the sign and trade options....

Our best inside player last year was LBJ, Z was a distant second. LBJ was third in the league in 'points in the paint'.

 

[LyXo]

I don't know if Bobby Simmons is the guy we want if we lose Z. We don't want another role player. We'll pay a lot for a guy that may or may not produce, who knows. But if Z is around, he'll be useful if he can hit that jumper with consistency.

If we lose Z, we better get a similar calibur player in return. Not to say that we need another big exactly like Z, but we need a player that has proven that he can shoot the ball and create his own with consistency. Someone like Ray Allen, Michael Redd.

JJ I don't think is ready yet, most of his % and # of shots comes from the amount of open looks he gets created by the talent on his team. Dunno if he's really able to create his own shot. I would go with JJ if we could retain Z somehow. But if we won't have Z, then we'll need someone that can create their own shot as well, not just a good perimeter shooter.

 

[Karma]

It matters the cost of a resigned Z. The fact is he wants over $10 million...screw that. He is a slow bad defensive player who shoots 15 footers well. I like Z, but he is just not a fit on this team anymore...Explore the sign and trade options....

Our best inside player last year was LBJ, Z was a distant second. LBJ was third in the league in 'points in the paint'.

That "slow bad defender was our 2nd best defensive player in the starting 5. And without that big slow guy, do you really think LeBron would have had any space at all to get into the paint.? Dont think for a second a Traylot, Gooden, Dalembert type big man would draw any attention away from James. LeBron knows he needs an inside influence. They are particulary rare and we want to throw it away. If his demands do turn out to be too much, then yes, trade him. But until that day, we resign his formost. It allows so much more flexibility in who else we sign on the perimeter. We do need help there, and LyXo made good comments about how Johnso scored quite a bit off feeding off others. Z and leBron could play a similar role for him if he was aquired.