Potential 2019 Head coaches for the Browns

[MD13]

For the record, I don't think Mike McCarthy is the worst. I think he'll instill some discipline in the guys and will succeed from a manager perspective. The issue is that schematically the game has passed him by years ago, and you're going to see some of the same issues that guys had under Todd Haley where you were just lining guys up and hoping they'd win their routes vs man defense.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/11/10/all-22-aaron-rodgers-packers-mike-mccarthy

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/25/packers-offense-aaron-rodgers-jordy-nelson-struggles

Some of the best stuff from those:

"I think there are definitely some issues there," former NFL quarterback and current NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner said Tuesday on ESPN Radio. "One thing, when I watch the film of them -- very stagnant offensively. They're a team that kind of lines up in what they're going to line up in. They don't motion a lot, they don't get a lot of multiple formations, and I think that when they play against good teams -- teams that can rush the passer -- they start to struggle a little bit. I think they have some issues, and they need to change it up. If you take out Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb, who's the next guy who's going to step up and be a big playmaker? I don't see it, and they're not getting it out of the backfield."

The more you look at them, the more you see how unhelpful Green Bay’s route concepts are for Rodgers. Aside from the occasional rub or stack formation, you don’t see a lot of stuff designed to present Rodgers with an easy open read, or his receivers with schemed formation advantages. Green Bay’s passing game seems designed to succeed three ways this year: Rodgers throwing deep off of free plays after he’s fooled the defense into jumping offside, extending plays outside of structure and exploiting one-on-one iso matchups.

Here's how our offense will look under McCarthy. We'll probably lead the league in 11 personnel, we'll have minimal pre-snap motion, and how good our offense will look will depend on how well Baker throws into tight windows and how well our guys beat tight coverage on the outside. Schematically he's a generation behind what the NFL is doing now; keep in mind every single team sent guys to learn from Lincoln Riley this offseason, and jet motion has been used pretty liberally throughout the league this season to open up defenses by stretching them horizontally even before the snap.

I'd love to see a coach that uses creative formations to scheme up defined reads and open guys for Baker next season, since he literally set records when he's allowed to do that. Granted he's shown the ability to be an excellent tight window thrower in both college and the NFL, but there's no reason to build an offense relying on that. You're seeing something like that with Mitch Trubisky, where he's succeeding because of offensive design despite the fact that he doesn't seem to be very good so far.

edit: I should add that schematically, the McCarthy offense without an incredible unscripted QB like Aaron Rodgers would probably look a lot like the NYG offense under McAdoo.

 

[billmac91]

I like Lincoln Riley alot more as an offensive coordinator and schematic genius than I do as a head coach in the NFL.

Simply being able to scheme well isn't the entirety of the battle at his level.

I don't view it that much differently than letting an offensive protege take the reigns, and then surround him with top notch, experienced coordinators.

You aren;t getting Lincoln Riley to leave Norman with an OC job. You might get him if you offer the HC position.

Sometimes you jump into these situatuons rather than testing the waters. Where would Nebraska be in their development today, had they hired Scott Frost as the hottest OC out of Oregon rather than the experienced Mike Reilly? They wasted 3 years of developmental time because they didn't think Frost was ready.

Lincoln Riley would be such an upgrade in regards to football IQ of any of our last 5 Head Coaches. The dude just "gets it". He understands down and distance, he understands clock management, he has a great feel for play-calling.

I get the concern over giving him the leadership role over a professional football team roster, but he also has the right temperament IMO. A guy like Urban Meyer would never make it in the NFL because he coaches the team in a way that would rub grown men the wrong way. Riley is much more laid back and carries far less ego. I think he'd have the players full support almost immediately.

He'd need an experienced DC and then some experienced NFL offensive coaches that have reputations around the league and relationships with players to help ease the transition. But it's certainly "doable".

I just don't think you pass up the opportunity to reunite Mayfield with Riley if it's a possibility. Peanut Butter and Jelly.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don't quite understand all the McCarthy hate myself. The guy has been to two NFC Championship games in the last four seasons, but people are claiming he is one of the top 5 worst coaches in the league?

To be fair, this was a very common defense of Lue both on this site and in the media

How could he be one of the worst coaches in the league when he’s been to 3 straight championships?! But it turns out it was literally all LeBron and Kyrie and Lue really was one of the worst coaches in the league

Now football isn’t as easy to dominate with just 1 player, but he’s got a top 7-10 QB all time and, yeah, that makes it much more difficult to evaluate the guy. Because with a QB of that caliber he can make a dogshit coach look pretty good. Not saying McCarthy is or not. I watch very little Packers games

 

[The Voice]

If the Browns are going to talk somebody out of retirement, I see the allure of Arians but I'd go after another guy over 65... Mike Shanahan. The biggest problem Shanahan had as a coach post-Elway retirement was finding an NFL caliber quarterback. The Browns don't have that problem anymore. Worst comes to worst, whomever the young OC is under Shanny will be ready to take over for him in three or four years.

No inside info or anything... Just a name that I haven't seen anyone mention who has been out there, and he is an old oak in a strong coaching tree.

Didn’t he have Phillip Rivers with the Chargers? Pass

 

[Randolphkeys]

Didn’t he have Phillip Rivers with the Chargers? Pass

He never coached the Chargers.

Run.

 

[The Voice]

He never coached the Chargers.

Run.

Never mind I was thinking Marty Schottenheimer.

Imagine what Shanahan would do for Chubb, the guy would make crap RB’s look like studs.

 

[FrontPageNews]

I wonder if riley would try and bring in bob stoops if he came to the nfl. I know he retired but an assistant job would be a lot less stressful and I’m sure he’d like to coach again. Would help Riley’s nfl transition by giving him a mentor to talk to. What kind of defense did stoops run? Maybe he could be the dc.

 

[AZ_]

I wonder if riley would try and bring in bob stoops if he came to the nfl. I know he retired but an assistant job would be a lot less stressful and I’m sure he’d like to coach again. Would help Riley’s nfl transition by giving him a mentor to talk to. What kind of defense did stoops run? Maybe he could be the dc.

...why?

 

[FrontPageNews]

...why?

Why not

 

[AZ_]

Why not

Where to start...

Well, Stoops has no NFL experience to join a potential head coach with no NFL experience.

Working in the NFL is absolutely stressful, and I don't want him if he's interested in jobs that are "less stressful."

You suggested this not even knowing which side of the ball he's coached, so I can tell you've put a ton of time and effort into thinking about it.

I could go on, but I don't really think its worth it.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Where to start...

Well, Stoops has no NFL experience to join a potential head coach with no NFL experience.

Working in the NFL is absolutely stressful, and I don't want him if he's interested in jobs that are "less stressful."

You suggested this not even knowing which side of the ball he's coached, so I can tell you've put a ton of time and effort into thinking about it.

I could go on, but I don't really think its worth it.

You seem upset. It’s not that serious.

 

[AZ_]

You seem upset. It’s not that serious.

Nobody is upset. You had a bad take.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

View: https://twitter.com/themmqb/status/1059804210919804928?s=21

Everyone go give @tristan+kyrie=$ a like in the Baker Mayfield thread for this post, but a passage in the article pertaining to the coaching search is what struck me most:

Over the next several weeks, attention will turn to likely candidates for the Browns head job, though it is unclear to what degree Dorsey will influence the decision. According to two sources with knowledge of former general manager Sashi Brown’s tenure, the choice of Jackson was not unanimous. Jackson was Haslam’s man, while Sean McDermott and Matt Patricia had support from those running football operations. Several members of that staff, including an analytics department led by Paul DePodesta, remains in Berea, reporting directly to Haslam—notably, not Dorsey. Haslam, who directed both the Jackson hire and the drafting of Manziel, has given Dorsey no assurances he’ll go with the new GM’s recommendation, according to the two league sources.

Jimmy Haslam ain't going anywhere and he's still the biggest problem plaguing this organization.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Nobody is upset. You had a bad take.

Why is it a bad take? I’m not suggesting DC would be the job he takes I’m suggesting it could be one of the jobs. And yes he does have a background as a Dc. He doesn’t even need to have an official title. Plenty of coaches who don’t want to be head coaches anymore or even coordinators take jobs like senior assistant or consultant. It’s not really outlandish to suggest a rookie nfl coach would want his mentor on the staff with him.

 

[AZ_]

Why is it a bad take? I’m not suggesting DC would be the job he takes I’m suggesting it could be one of the jobs. And yes he does have a background as a Dc. He doesn’t even need to have an official title. Plenty of coaches who don’t want to be head coaches anymore or even coordinators take jobs like senior assistant or consultant. It’s not really outlandish to suggest a rookie nfl coach would want his mentor on the staff with him.

For all the reasons I explained earlier, obviously...