Potential 2019 Head coaches for the Browns

[Amherstcavsfan]

Coaching football and coaching basketball are not even close to the same thing.

Meh, they are team awards.

McCarthy is nothing without Rodgers. Dude looked totally lost last year without him. Hell, he should have lost to the Browns and Hue Jackson.

 

[AZ_]

Meh, they are team awards.

McCarthy is nothing without Rodgers. Dude looked totally lost last year without him. Hell, he should have lost to the Browns and Hue Jackson.

Yeah, with Brett Hundley and a band of guys who aren't that good.

Talent wins games, coaching gets the most out of talent. And he's gotten quite a bit out of A-Rod.

Similar things could be said about Andy Reid before he got to Kansas City, honestly. Without talent, he couldn't win anything either.

 

[Los216]

Meh, they are team awards.

McCarthy is nothing without Rodgers. Dude looked totally lost last year without him. Hell, he should have lost to the Browns and Hue Jackson.

So your argument is that Mike McCarthy can't coach at all and in fact it is irrelevant that he's even on the sidelines during games right? I mean he's basically worthless unless Aaron Rodgers is there so what exactly is he doing?

 

[Jack Brickman]

So your argument is that Mike McCarthy can't coach at all and in fact it is irrelevant that he's even on the sidelines during games right? I mean he's basically worthless unless Aaron Rodgers is there so what exactly is he doing?

Personally, I think he's just an average to slightly below average coach. Not awful, but he just doesn't do much for me. I see a lot of the same issues that I see with a lot of old-school coaches. Shitty clock management, poor in-game adjustments, constantly out-maneuvered by better coaches.

He's just not someone that moves the needle for me. I'd rather take the chance on a bright young college coach than a guy who couldn't take Aaron Rodgers to the playoffs when he's on pace for a 5,000 yard season.

 

[Los216]

Personally, I think he's just an average to slightly below average coach. Not awful, but he just doesn't do much for me. I see a lot of the same issues that I see with a lot of old-school coaches. Shitty clock management, poor in-game adjustments, constantly out-maneuvered by better coaches.

He's just not someone that moves the needle for me. I'd rather take the chance on a bright young college coach than a guy who couldn't take Aaron Rodgers to the playoffs when he's on pace for a 5,000 yard season.

lol

Is Andy Reid old school? He's worse than McCarthy at clock management. Also The Packers have been one of the best teams in the league in 2 minute situations. A lot of that is probably Aaron Rodgers greatness but McCarthy has been coaching him his entire career so.....

Are you saying that Mike McCarthy is holding that team back? I'm just saying I watch them and I don't come away thinking that they're being held back by their coach. I mean, it's not like they don't win. They win a lot. Without looking at the stats I'm gonna go ahead and guess that since McCarthy has been their Head Coach in 2006 that they only coaches who have won more games are BB, Sean Payton, and Andy Reid? Maybe? So if coaches are judged largely on their results then if he's not a good one then there are only 3 good coaches.

Last point. Why should we take a chance on a bright young college coach over an experienced NFL coach? The sole purpose for our next coach is not to babysit Baker Mayfield. It's to be a leader. Manage the game. get the most out of his players. Put them in the best position to succeed. Win games. Get his players to buy in. Manage a good coaching staff. This idea that a bright offensive mind will magically solve everything is setting a lot of people up to be very disappointed. There should be more to being our next Head Coach than being a bright offensive mind. For one, I'd take an experienced coach and a good staff.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Is Andy Reid old school? He's worse than McCarthy at clock management. Also The Packers have been one of the best teams in the league in 2 minute situations. A lot of that is probably Aaron Rodgers greatness but McCarthy has been coaching him his entire career so.....

Didn't Aaron Rodgers literally come out and say recently that he calls the plays during two minute situations? Seemed like an obvious shot at McCarthy. It's just hard for me to get on board with hiring a coach to shepherd Baker Mayfield's development when that same coach has lost the support of Aaron Rodgers.

As far as Andy Reid goes, he does have issues with clock management, and he also seems to struggle with adjustments, which is why he always flames out and chokes in the playoffs. However, he's also arguably the brightest offensive mind in the league, and he always hires quality assistants and grooms them to be future coaches themselves, which is why his coaching tree has seen such success. He's not perfect, but I'd easily take him over McCarthy because he has really evolved with the game and in fact is often ahead of the curve offensively, setting trends instead of following them.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

So your argument is that Mike McCarthy can't coach at all and in fact it is irrelevant that he's even on the sidelines during games right? I mean he's basically worthless unless Aaron Rodgers is there so what exactly is he doing?

Mike McCarthy will make you exactly what your talent level is, no more no less. So this year, his team has the standard talent of an 8-8 team. He wont coach his team up to be anything more than that.

I want more out of a HC. I want a guy who is creative and can scheme a team to a win once in a while. I want someone whose offense and defense can put this team over the hump, not be a passenger.

Mike McCarthy is a what you see is what you get. I'm sure he could have this team at an 8-8 level in no time. But I dont believe he has the ability, creativity or game management to put you over the top.

Hes an uninspired hiring that would doom us to the treadmill of mediocrity for years, barring Baker becoming GOAT level QB.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If the Browns are going to talk somebody out of retirement, I see the allure of Arians but I'd go after another guy over 65... Mike Shanahan. The biggest problem Shanahan had as a coach post-Elway retirement was finding an NFL caliber quarterback. The Browns don't have that problem anymore. Worst comes to worst, whomever the young OC is under Shanny will be ready to take over for him in three or four years.

No inside info or anything... Just a name that I haven't seen anyone mention who has been out there, and he is an old oak in a strong coaching tree.

 

[billmac91]

I don't get why there isn't more talk around Lincoln Riley. That's the guy if he's open to it. There's a reason, multiple NFL teams, have gone to Norman to learn about his playbook the last two years. His type of play-calling and system are becoming more mainstream in the NFL by the year. Tons of misdirection, less reliant on reading defenses, more on exposing defenses weaknesses. Pair him up with Baker and let them work their magic. Again, I don;t buy any early reports about what Riley may or may not be thinking. He sin't going to abandon his current season by making any statements about being open to the NFL, but knowing he likely doesn't have Murray next year, really makes a jump to the NFL much more realistic, IMO.

I personally don't think Bruce Arians is the right fit. I certainly don't think Chuck Pagano is the right fit. Chuck Pagano was really bad in Indy. He's a bucket of coach speak and non-inspiring football.

 

[Los216]

Didn't Aaron Rodgers literally come out and say recently that he calls the plays during two minute situations? Seemed like an obvious shot at McCarthy. It's just hard for me to get on board with hiring a coach to shepherd Baker Mayfield's development when that same coach has lost the support of Aaron Rodgers.

As far as Andy Reid goes, he does have issues with clock management, and he also seems to struggle with adjustments, which is why he always flames out and chokes in the playoffs. However, he's also arguably the brightest offensive mind in the league, and he always hires quality assistants and grooms them to be future coaches themselves, which is why his coaching tree has seen such success. He's not perfect, but I'd easily take him over McCarthy because he has really evolved with the game and in fact is often ahead of the curve offensively, setting trends instead of following them.

It actually wasn't a shot at McCarthy when Rodgers said that because McCarthy has always given Aaron Rodgers command of the 2 minute offense. That of course happened over time with them having success together and building trust. And again with Baker Mayfield we need to remember that Baker isn't the only person we need to consider when hiring a new coach. We aren't looking for a coach for Baker Mayfield. We're looking for a coach for The Cleveland Browns.

Also with Andy Reid you're probably talking about hands down the second best coach in the league the last two decades. Not a surprise that there aren't many like him and he has the best assistants

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I don't get why there isn't more talk around Lincoln Riley. That's the guy if he's open to it. There's a reason, multiple NFL teams, have gone to Norman to learn about his playbook the last two years. His type of play-calling and system are becoming more mainstream in the NFL by the year. Tons of misdirection, less reliant on reading defenses, more on exposing defenses weaknesses. Pair him up with Baker and let them work their magic. Again, I don;t buy any early reports about what Riley may or may not be thinking. He sin't going to abandon his current season by making any statements about being open to the NFL, but knowing he likely doesn't have Murray next year, really makes a jump to the NFL much more realistic, IMO.

I personally don't think Bruce Arians is the right fit. I certainly don't think Chuck Pagano is the right fit. Chuck Pagano was really bad in Indy. He's a bucket of coach speak and non-inspiring football.

I think most here would probably put Riley in their top three. There’s not a lot of thought that he’ll leave Oklahoma at this point.

In no particular order mine would be DeFlippo, Riley, and Harbaugh (if he’s done in Baltimore).

 

[Soda]

If the Browns are going to talk somebody out of retirement, I see the allure of Arians but I'd go after another guy over 65... Mike Shanahan. The biggest problem Shanahan had as a coach post-Elway retirement was finding an NFL caliber quarterback. The Browns don't have that problem anymore. Worst comes to worst, whomever the young OC is under Shanny will be ready to take over for him in three or four years.

No inside info or anything... Just a name that I haven't seen anyone mention who has been out there, and he is an old oak in a strong coaching tree.

Out for Shanahan. He's already older, so he won't be around for long. He notoriously went for power grabs in his older years; I want that nowhere near Dorsey. Lastly, Shanahan doesn't have Kyle to be on his staff.

 

[billmac91]

I think most here would probably put Riley in their top three. There’s not a lot of thought that he’ll leave Oklahoma at this point.

In no particular order mine would be DeFlippo, Riley, and Harbaugh (if he’s done in Baltimore).

There won't be any movement on Riley until things become more clear with the direction of their season because he can't risk losing a season over his future moves. So expect it to be quiet on that front as his agent handles back channel communication.

If not Riley, I'm OK with DeFilippo. I think I have a few other "outside the box" guys I'd want them to pursue. Most of all, I want a coach that can relate and gain the full trust of Mayfield. I'm still not the hugest fan and question his ceiling in the NFL, but I want him to get a fair shake at it. He needs an offensive mind that creates a shitload of misdirection and allows Mayfield to move defenses with his eyes, knowing he can come back to his primary target. In today's football, even the NFL, misdirection and designed "passing playcalls" are the name of the game. It generally keeps the QB clean, it simplifies the read, and often times leads to huge chunk plays on otherwise simple throws based on play design.

I want a guy with that type of background. If not at HC, at least as our OC.

 

[AZ_]

I like Lincoln Riley alot more as an offensive coordinator and schematic genius than I do as a head coach in the NFL.

Simply being able to scheme well isn't the entirety of the battle at his level.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Out for Shanahan. He's already older, so he won't be around for long. He notoriously went for power grabs in his older years; I want that nowhere near Dorsey. Lastly, Shanahan doesn't have Kyle to be on his staff.

He didn't just mentor his own kid. He mentored Kubiak, Sean McVay, and Anthony Lynn. Along with his kid, that's a who's who of young NFL head coaches. I don't know if he has the itch to coach again, but I'd feel a lot better about a young up and coming offensive whiz kid after two years as assistant head coach under Shanny.

Plus, we have talked about the other top choices since August. Yawn.