Racial Tension in the U.S.

[The Human Q-Tip]

Just on a very basic level, what are white people under attack for?

Well, here's an example:

White People, If You’re Not Part of the Solution, You’re Part of the Problem

I ask my fellow white people, how much worse is it going to have to get before we take accountability for our racism and actively engage in dismantling it? As hard as this may be to hear, we, white people, are the originators of racism in America. While we do not have an exclusive monopoly on racism, we sit at the top of the racism food chain, and we are the ones with the power to end it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen...tion-youre-part-of-the-problem_b_7665452.html

 

[gourimoko]

Well, here's an example:

White People, If You’re Not Part of the Solution, You’re Part of the Problem

I ask my fellow white people, how much worse is it going to have to get before we take accountability for our racism and actively engage in dismantling it? As hard as this may be to hear, we, white people, are the originators of racism in America. While we do not have an exclusive monopoly on racism, we sit at the top of the racism food chain, and we are the ones with the power to end it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen...tion-youre-part-of-the-problem_b_7665452.html

Does Karen Fleshman's commentary that has a click-bait title really constitute an attack on White People?

While I disagree with her (or anyone's) collective "our" when speaking with respect to race in this manner, I don't really take exception to the bulk of what she's saying. So, while I can disagree with how she chose to phrase her thoughts, the underlying point is valid; and I don't think it's an "attack" insomuch as a plea to get more White people actively opposed to virulent racism in the States rather than turning a blind eye, or ignoring the problem - because according to Fleshman - in doing so, one becomes part of the problem.

I can't say I disagree with her.

Now, you don't have to take my word for this; because Fleshman herself clarifies her position in the very next paragraph that you left out of your post:

"Right about now, you might be saying to yourself, “Hey lady, wait a minute, what do you mean ‘our racism’? I’m not racist, I’ve never called anyone a racial epithet, I believe in treating people the same regardless of skin color, I even have a couple of black friends. What have I got to do with any of this?” You might even think the solution is simply to say, “I see no color distinction, I see only humans.”

But we live in a society that does see color distinction. Saying, “I don’t see race,” means, “I don’t see the role race plays in our society,” or “I don’t see racism.” The first step to a solution is admitting we have a problem.

The vast majority of white people — like people of every other race — are well-intentioned and do not set out to harm anyone because of their race. But unfortunately, good intentions aren’t enough. If we just stop at being nice and do not actively struggle to end it, racism will perpetuate and flourish. It’s up to us — all those white people who say, “Hey, I’m not racist” — to step up and take a long deep look at the way racism and racial inequality continues to function in America and to ask the honest, humble question, “What can we do?”

It’s time for us, white people, to face that racism and racial inequality in America is not other people’s problem. It’s our problem, it’s our problem as white people and our problem as Americans."

So in context, her comments come off quite a bit differently since she immediately couches her statement in the following 3 paragraphs.

 

[Cavatt]

Lers start here.

1. Do you disagree with the statistics i referenced? If so, how? If not, you are a racist by your own logic.


2. I posted 30 articles of anti white racism to whivh you could not come up with a response. Respond to it. White genocide. Is shtick shtick when backrd with black and white evidence? How can you hold the opinion there isnt popular anti whitr racism when i took 3 minutes and sourced 30 articles and a professor at drexel wishing for genocide and literally mtv giving new yeard resolutions for white people?

3. Find me a quote that prefaces my opinion with "dont mean to sound like a jerk but". If you cant, youre a liar.

4. Find me a quote about fucking "guns and property" or youre a liar who has no idea what he's talking about.

5. Espousing stuff like that? Well i dont even talk about that stuff ever, so how do i espouse it and how are you concluding that an opinion i dont share is old and tired?

6. "No one in this thread that has defended black lives matter, has every brought up getting rid of white people, yet this is something that you have brought up multiple times. It is a classic racist fear. "If we give them power, can you imagine what they will do to us?!!"

What the hell are you even referring to?

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I get it. Youre mad at arguments you made on your own and assigned to me. Dont get mad at arguments i didnt make. Thats moronic. Its your own fault and lack of comprehension that got you here.

#1 No I don't agree that more Black people are criminals than white people. I think they get caught more often because they are more likely to get convicted and are more likely to get pulled over. Ever have a story where you did something wrong and the cops let you go? I know you do because you told it here before.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/black-people-more-likely-wrongfully-convicted

#2 This is one of your 30 racist articles. I think it makes a pretty convincing point. I think you should really read it if you think "White pride" isn't racist

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/09/5_reasons_white_pride_is_always_racist_partner/

#3 You said that racism against whites was the most pressing kind of racism, and then you repeatedly say you are not racist. I really don't know how you are going to find anyone to back you up on that that doesn't also believe in white genocide. That's my opinion of how you conduct yourself.

#4 "I was reading up on either zimbabwe or south africa (latter I believe) and a political candidate literally (paraphrase) said he's coming for white peoples property. Thats a direct fucking threat. I would move before I thought to fight a movement so perniscious if I thought it was large enough to legitimately be a problem. I would move. My genuine response."

Hysteria

#5 Just the fact that BLM is a racist organization in your eyes but anytime anyone interferes with Richard Spencer you are quick to his defense. It is bad optics for you. Free speech important for Spencer, but not for those racist BLM guys. YIKES

#6 What are the goals of racism against whites? What would be the point. If the racism that whites have is to keep power than what is the goal of people who are racist against whites? Answer that your most pressing issue, and you will have your answer.

 

[Cavatt]

Well, here's an example:

White People, If You’re Not Part of the Solution, You’re Part of the Problem

I ask my fellow white people, how much worse is it going to have to get before we take accountability for our racism and actively engage in dismantling it? As hard as this may be to hear, we, white people, are the originators of racism in America. While we do not have an exclusive monopoly on racism, we sit at the top of the racism food chain, and we are the ones with the power to end it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen...tion-youre-part-of-the-problem_b_7665452.html

Gouri couldn't have put it better. I don't see that as an attack. It seems more like a call for greater awareness. What are the results of the attack? White people will be shamed, or perhaps that everyone could get along better and we could live in a happier society lol.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Well, here's an example:

White People, If You’re Not Part of the Solution, You’re Part of the Problem

I ask my fellow white people, how much worse is it going to have to get before we take accountability for our racism and actively engage in dismantling it? As hard as this may be to hear, we, white people, are the originators of racism in America. While we do not have an exclusive monopoly on racism, we sit at the top of the racism food chain, and we are the ones with the power to end it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen...tion-youre-part-of-the-problem_b_7665452.html

Not really sure how an internet article is an attack on white people. It just seems like an internet article that I'm not particularly interested in reading. It certainly won't impact my day to day life.

 

[DJTJ]

Well, here's an example:

White People, If You’re Not Part of the Solution, You’re Part of the Problem

I ask my fellow white people, how much worse is it going to have to get before we take accountability for our racism and actively engage in dismantling it? As hard as this may be to hear, we, white people, are the originators of racism in America. While we do not have an exclusive monopoly on racism, we sit at the top of the racism food chain, and we are the ones with the power to end it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen...tion-youre-part-of-the-problem_b_7665452.html

For someone who shits on sources religiously, it seems like you frequently post sources and delete chunks of things that end up using to counteract your point.

 

[Whittaker]

That article will not make people get along better.
It tries to produce guilt("our racism...we are the originators") and get people to feel shame because of the color of their skin.
If there is no individual guilt there should be no individual shame.
I reject accepting guilt for other people's behavior because of my or their skin color.
I don't know that I would call it an attack but it is trying to unfairly shame individuals because of their skin color, which will create racial animosity.

My great great grandfather fought and was wounded for the North in the Civil War.
I wonder how he would feel about some joker trying to project racial guilt on his great great grandson.

 

[DJTJ]

That article will not make people get along better.
It tries to produce guilt("our racism...we are the originators") and get people to feel shame because of the color of their skin.
If there is no individual guilt there should be no individual shame.
I reject accepting guilt for other people's behavior because of my or their skin color.
I don't know that I would call it an attack but it is trying to unfairly shame individuals because of their skin color, which will create racial animosity.

My great great grandfather fought and was wounded for the North in the Civil War.
I wonder how he would feel about some joker trying to project racial guilt on his great great grandson.

So you chastise the article about projecting guilt, and then do exactly what the article says...

You one upped the I have black friends line to I have an ancestor who fought for the North.

Like, what?

 

[gourimoko]

That article will not make people get along better.
It tries to produce guilt("our racism...we are the originators") and get people to feel shame because of the color of their skin.
If there is no individual guilt there should be no individual shame.
I reject accepting guilt for other people's behavior regardless of my or their skin color.
I don't know that I would call it an attack but it is trying to unfairly shame individuals because of their skin color, which will create racial animosity.

My great great grandfather fought and was wounded for the North in the Civil War.
I wonder how he would feel about some joker trying to project racial guilt on his great great grandson.

Maybe she's not trying to instill guilt, but instead suggest every American, including specifically White people being in the majority, have a responsibility to recognize that racism is a problem in America and to do something about it?

With that said, I do think "White guilt" is a very real thing, and really isn't very often productive to solving anyone's problems since it's very much misguided (as you stated); but I don't think that's really the crux, let alone the intent, of the author's article.

 

[Tlyons]

That article will not make people get along better.
It tries to produce guilt("our racism...we are the originators") and get people to feel shame because of the color of their skin.
If there is no individual guilt there should be no individual shame.
I reject accepting guilt for other people's behavior because of my or their skin color.
I don't know that I would call it an attack but it is trying to unfairly shame individuals because of their skin color, which will create racial animosity.

My great great grandfather fought and was wounded for the North in the Civil War.
I wonder how he would feel about some joker trying to project racial guilt on his great great grandson.

That projects guilt in your opinion? I respect your opinion but I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

To me it is saying why are we stopping at I'm not racist? Why aren't we going to the next level of what can I do to help make a difference?

Shutting down the conversation is the worst thing we can do.

 

[gourimoko]

That projects guilt in your opinion? I respect your opinion but I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

To me it is saying why are we stopping at I'm not racist? Why aren't we going to the next level of what can I do to help make a difference?

Shutting down the conversation is the worst thing we can do.

Literally, in this thread, today, someone said the best way to stop racism is to "stop talking about it."

The article Q-Tip posted specifically addresses this very common line of thought.

 

[TyGuy]

Saying that if you're not part of the solution youre part of the problem sounds a little bit like it's projecting guilt onto you if you're just a bystander not willing to fight for the cause.

Maybe some people has more pressing issues going on in their life to not dedicate themselves to the solution?

 

[Tlyons]

Literally, in this thread, today, someone said the best way to stop racism is to "stop talking about it."

The article Q-Tip posted specifically addresses this very common line of thought.

Because Morgan I speak for all black people because my voice is calming Freeman said so.

Yea I was just thinking that too.

 

[TyGuy]

Literally, in this thread, today, someone said the best way to stop racism is to "stop talking about it."

The article Q-Tip posted specifically addresses this very common line of thought.

Well, I certainly don't agree with that. Then you're just ignoring the problem.

I've ignored entire enough problems in the past to find out they don't go away magically.

 

[Tlyons]

Saying that if you're not part of the solution youre part of the problem sounds a little bit like it's projecting guilt onto you if you're just a bystander not willing to fight for the cause.

Maybe some people has more pressing issues going on in their life to not dedicate themselves to the solution?

Which is why we shouldn't just skip over Articles because they have a headline we don't like. Gour had a very good post on this a few posts upthread. The Article itself doesn't really mirror the Headline at all.