Racial Tension in the U.S.

[David.]

Ok. Sounded like you were saying it was a sure thing.

Honestly I'm just trying to grind Tornicade into shutting the fuck up bc he doesn't stop when he clearly should.

I have no idea if he was high, or how well he could respond to the officers orders while high.

 

[Kyrie4MVP0202]

Wait, the narrative is if you smoke weed you can't follow directions now?

Wtf

Getting pulled over is nerve wracking when you're not high, are you saying getting pulled over high, with weed in the car would not visibly raise nerves in a person and effect the way a person responds to orders?

 

[Kyrie4MVP0202]

He doesn't stop. You'll have to.

Yeah I'm on it.

Have a good one guys.

 

[DJTJ]

Getting pulled over is nerve wracking when you're not high, are you saying getting pulled over high, with weed in the car would not visibly raise nerves in a person and effect the way a person responds to orders?

I've never been afraid when being pulled over... Nerves, or fear never crossed my mind.

If this argument, really, is that because he was high, he didn't understand the situation, and was shot as a result, we shouldn't have had four pages.

Routine traffic stops involving alcohol and weed happen routinely. Can't remember anyone ever getting shot.

 

[David.]

I've never been afraid when being pulled over... Nerves, or fear never crossed my mind.

If this argument, really, is that because he was high, he didn't understand the situation, and was shot as a result, we shouldn't have had four pages.

Routine traffic stops involving alcohol and weed happen routinely. Can't remember anyone ever getting shot.

I'm terrified when I get pulled over. I place my hands on the wheel and don't move em.

I tell the officer to pull out my id themselves if they want it so bad. I normally have an erection.

Part of this story is true


Anyways weed doesn't ensure a murder, but it can certainly cloud judgment and prevent a perfect understanding of a situation. I don't think there's any denying that.

He kept staying don't pull out your gun. I personally would stop moving the second time I heard that, probably the first, if I was sober. I understand how that would be confusing if you're not pulling out your gun, but I would be more worried about getting shot that I'd be hypersensitive to not get shot

 

[Kyrie4MVP0202]

I've never been afraid when being pulled over... Nerves, or fear never crossed my mind.

If this argument, really, is that because he was high, he didn't understand the situation, and was shot as a result, we shouldn't have had four pages.

Routine traffic stops involving alcohol and weed happen routinely. Can't remember anyone ever getting shot.

It's not an argument of whether he was high, it's an argument of personal responsibility. Philando did several things wrong. Having weed in his system and in his car at the time of being pulled over does not help him in any way and could conceivably put the officer on edge.

Do you think a CCW instructor teaches that riding around with a loaded weapon with weed in your system and car is a good idea with your child in the backseat?

When cops pull you over and they smell marijuana you've already put them on edge. It's illegal in the state of Minny.

We didn't see what former Officer Yanez saw so maybe we shouldn't be so quick to judge until we've put ourselves in his position and see what'd we do in his situation...

It's real easy to armchair quarterback online after the fact.

 

[DJTJ]

I'm terrified when I get pulled over. I place my hands on the wheel and don't move em.

I tell the officer to pull out my id themselves if they want it so bad. I normally have an erection.

Part of this story is true


Anyways weed doesn't ensure a murder, but it can certainly cloud judgment and prevent a perfect understanding of a situation. I don't think there's any denying that.

He kept staying don't pull out your gun. I personally would stop moving the second time I heard that, probably the first, if I was sober. I understand how that would be confusing if you're not pulling out your gun, but I would be more worried about getting shot that I'd be hypersensitive to not get shot

The first half cracks me up. Every time I've been pulled over, everything I ask for is already in my hands. Hope the boner is the true part

Someone being high does not justify actions. That was the point of my post. It's a weak defense that, in all honest, works because of how misunderstood weed intentionally has become.

It's not an argument of whether he was high, it's an argument of personal responsibility. Philando did several things wrong. Having weed in his system and in his car at the time of being pulled over does not help him in any way and could conceivably put the officer on edge.

Do you think a CCW instructor teaches that riding around with a loaded weapon with weed in your system and car is a good idea with your child in the backseat?

When cops pull you over and they smell marijuana you've already put them on edge. It's illegal in the state of Minny.

We didn't see what former Officer Yanez saw so maybe we shouldn't be so quick to judge until we've put ourselves in his position and see what'd we do in his situation...

It's real easy to armchair quarterback online after the fact.

Are you not doing the exact same thing by justifying the actions of a cop that the city said was unfit to serve its residents?

Pullovers involving weed happen hundreds of times (maybe even more) on a daily basis, would you agree? If weed and alcohol really put cops on edge, you'd see a lot more issues, you'd think. But you don't... Because most cops are really fucking good at their jobs.

But, and this is the thing that I'll leave on (and fwiw, your argument throughout tonight has been pretty sound, even if I don't agree); when a cop fucks up, the first response from neither a cop support view or vise versa, should be trying to find fault. Once the assigned fault shit happens, it tanks everything about the case.

This is one of those situations that's really, really just fucked, and I feel for the ex-cop, but not feeling for the other side is a really rough take.

 

[David.]

The first half cracks me up. Every time I've been pulled over, everything I ask for is already in my hands. Hope the boner is the true part

Someone being high does not justify actions. That was the point of my post. It's a weak defense that, in all honest, works because of how misunderstood weed intentionally has become.



Are you not doing the exact same thing by justifying the actions of a cop that the city said was unfit to serve its residents?

Pullovers involving weed happen hundreds of times (maybe even more) on a daily basis, would you agree? If weed and alcohol really put cops on edge, you'd see a lot more issues, you'd think. But you don't... Because most cops are really fucking good at their jobs.

But, and this is the thing that I'll leave on (and fwiw, your argument throughout tonight has been pretty sound, even if I don't agree); when a cop fucks up, the first response from neither a cop support view or vise versa, should be trying to find fault. Once the assigned fault shit happens, it tanks everything about the case.

This is one of those situations that's really, really just fucked, and I feel for the ex-cop, but not feeling for the other side is a really rough take.

There is nothing that excuses a shooting. Just saying weed effects perception.

 

[Kyrie4MVP0202]

Are you not doing the exact same thing by justifying the actions of a cop that the city said was unfit to serve its residents?

Pullovers involving weed happen hundreds of times (maybe even more) on a daily basis, would you agree? If weed and alcohol really put cops on edge, you'd see a lot more issues, you'd think. But you don't... Because most cops are really fucking good at their jobs.

But, and this is the thing that I'll leave on (and fwiw, your argument throughout tonight has been pretty sound, even if I don't agree); when a cop fucks up, the first response from neither a cop support view or vise versa, should be trying to find fault. Once the assigned fault shit happens, it tanks everything about the case.

This is one of those situations that's really, really just fucked, and I feel for the ex-cop, but not feeling for the other side is a really rough take.

I'm not justifying the officers actions, he was acquitted of manslaughter by a court of law. I'm not arguing that justice was served on Philando, I'm saying there are two sides to this story and the evidence points to Philando not putting himself in a good scenario upon being pulled over.

It also points to Philando not following directions very well which would make sense because he ignored virtually every CCW guideline for how to approach an officer when you are armed and with a permit.

I didn't see what Yanez saw but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt based on the circumstances and evidence.

 

[Tornicade]

You're trying to change the actual sequence of events and timeline to fit the narrative that the cop was simply a trigger happy racist.

I've shown you what happened, I've shown you Diamond Reynolds own words as to what happened, and yet you still don't grasp the fact that to convict someone of manslaughter you have to prove he wasn't fearful for his life.

It's just that simple.

NO I think the cop was an Idiot regardless if he was racist or not.
her words was he was reaching for his seatbelt so he could get to his wallet.her words was they were not smoking dope at the time.

meanwhile If you quizzed a thousand cops with the multiple choice question that says what to do when a suspect stated they have a gun.

"you have a gun,Okay" wouldn't be the option they would select.
Actually the Fear the officer felt or didn't feel was irrelevant it was rather he was placed in harm.
We don't know why the Jury found him not guilty. they could of simply found him not culpable as they didn't believe he acted in a reckless manner. In fact looking at the court instructions there are a lot of things that the jury could of decided that the prosecution didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

That doesn't mean that the Officer wasn't responsible or acted improperly.

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[DJTJ]

I'm not justifying the officers actions, he was acquitted of manslaughter by a court of law. I'm not arguing that justice was served on Philando, I'm saying there are two sides to this story and the evidence points to Philando not putting himself in a good scenario upon being pulled over.

It also points to Philando not following directions very well which would make sense because he ignored virtually every CCW guideline for how to approach an officer when you are armed and with a permit.

I didn't see what Yanez saw but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt based on the circumstances and evidence.

Just to get your take; is the benefit always given first to the officer? Just looking for a yes or no.

 

[Kyrie4MVP0202]

Just to get your take; is the benefit always given first to the officer? Just looking for a yes or no.

No.

 

[DJTJ]

No.

Cool! Have a good night, buddy!

 

[Soda]

I'm not reading everything, but I have seen someone try to attribute being stoned on pot to earning being shot to death.. I believe. Correct me if wrong. I've never heard such a dumb statement in my life than justification for murder being possession of pot. How freaking out of touch are you?

 

[David.]

I'm not reading everything, but I have seen someone try to attribute being stoned on pot to earning being shot to death.. I believe. Correct me if wrong. I've never heard such a dumb statement in my life than justification for murder being possession of pot. How freaking out of touch are you?

Read on, people didn't say that afaik