Racial Tension in the U.S.

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't see people on the right condemning these marchers though...I see them giving the marchers a pat on the back for not killing anyone.

These marchers already have been condemned from the last time they marched. As long as the condemnation of those views has been made, and someone has made known where they stand, I don't think it needs to be repeated every single time.

Everyone didn't condemn Westboro Baptist every single time they protested.

 

[Nathan S]

This was my argument a few weeks ago when I said that German WW2 soldiers weren't all evil people and you and jack called me a Nazi sympathizer for it.....

Hate the sin, not the sinner, right? Problem is, if you were a German WW2 soldier, the sin was basically your whole life.

These marchers already have been condemned from the last time they marched. As long as the condemnation of those views has been made, and someone has made known where they stand, I don't think it needs to be repeated every single time.

Everyone didn't condemn Westboro Baptist every single time they protested.

Sure...they also didn't give the WBC a pat on the back for remaining nonviolent.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Hate the sin, not the sinner, right? Problem is, if you were a German WW2 soldier, the sin was basically your whole life.

Right - because German soldiers were all Nazis....Been down this road before.

Sure...they also didn't give the WBC a pat on the back for remaining nonviolent.

Who gave Spencer and his ilk a "pat on the back?"

 

[MediumBaller]

View: https://twitter.com/ap/status/917073075778342913

 

[Nathan S]

Right - because German soldiers were all Nazis....Been down this road before.

Indeed...re-read my post. They made the choice to devote their lives to the Nazi cause.

Who gave Spencer and his ilk a "pat on the back?"

Anyone who liked that tweet earlier, for starters. I don't doubt that some far-right news outlets will do so as well, though digging through that dark corner of the web isn't really how I want to spend my Sunday.

 

[MediumBaller]

Kaep really should find a new girl. She's the reason he's not on an NFL team right now.

View: https://twitter.com/nessnitty/status/917098146542575617

Also why tweet a picture of a note that says the exact same thing as your tweet?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Everyone didn't condemn Westboro Baptist every single time they protested.

I encourage you to do more research on that one.

I was never a champion of this BLM movement, go back to the it's few pages of this thread. There were some clear mistakes in strategy to gain additional support from those people who had not already made up their minds on the subject of racial profiling and police targeting certain demographics. We have learned the subject is different from sheriff to sheriff.

That said, it's painful to watch both sides of this discussion take such liberties with researched data. I'm wondering why the thread stays open at all rather than whether one side is right or wrong.

 

[Marcus]

But he has no problem standing beside a five-time draft dodger that attacked a POW and a Gold Star family? Got it.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I encourage you to do more research on that one.

Seriously? Are you familiar with how frequently Westboro Baptist actually engaged in horrible protests? I suspect not.

Try doing a LexisNexis search to see how many times they were criticized publicly by President Obama. Or McCain, for that matter.

The number of protests by those scumbags is orders of magnitude greater than how frequently they were criticized by any particular politician.

Now, I see nothing wrong with that. Once you've criticized a group publicly for engaging in certain actions, I don't think it is necessary to repeat that condemnation every time the group repeats that behavior.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Seriously? Are you familiar with how frequently Westboro Baptist actually engaged in horrible protests? I suspect not.

I helped organize the counter-protest to their demonstration during Fred Rogers funeral in Pittsburgh. I received a great deal of legal briefings from the ACLU leading up to it. I'm very well researched, thanks for the jump to a conclusion though.

Again... nothing but negativity and assumptions of malice/bad intention in this thread. Why is it open? This isn't a type of discussion we should be proud of as a site or staff.

 

[Jack Brickman]

But he has no problem standing beside a five-time draft dodger that attacked a POW and a Gold Star family? Got it.

If he had walked out to protest the quality of football being played, I would have been totally behind him.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I helped organize the counter-protest to their demonstration during Fred Rogers funeral in Pittsburgh. I received a great deal of legal briefings from the ACLU leading up to it. I'm very well researched, thanks for the jump to a conclusion though.

If you believe that President Obama, or any other GOP or Democrat leader, publicly condemned Westboro Baptist every single time they protested a funeral, then you are not nearly as well researched as you believe. That is beyond reasonable dispute if you look at the actual facts.

According to the briefings in Snyder v Phelps, with which you claim to be familiar, Phelps and his people protested more than 600 military funerals. They actually protested - in their uniquely vile style - literally thousands of other funerals as well.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/09-751.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...boro-baptist-church-pickets-funerals/6688951/

Do you honestly remember Bush, Obama, or any other national politician making public statements or condemnation every single time Westboro protested? Or would you agree that they did not do that?

Again... nothing but negativity and assumptions of malice/bad intention in this thread.

If someone is going to argue that the failure to publicly condemn a protestor or organization every single time it does something offensive is morally flawed, then what exactly is wrong with pointing out why that reasoning is itself flawed?

This isn't a type of discussion we should be proud of as a site or staff.

Frankly, the discussions that are had in here tend to be more civil than those in which our elected representatives, the media, etc. routinely engage. Now, if some find objectionable the mere discussion of thoughts and ideas with which they don't agree, then I can see why they'd want to shut it down.

Which, interestingly enough, is one of the issues often discussed in here.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I don't have a ton of time for a point by point, but I'll briefly go over concerns about this thread.

https://leadergrow.com/articles/32-assume-best-intent

This is about professional communication in a workplace, not how a political debate or discussion creates ground rules. That said, nobody here is running against another RCF member for an elected position. The back and forth has often resulted in staff receiving PMs asking for one member or another to be given a break. That's why B00bie is on time out, that is why others have been dismissed entirely. What can't we assume best intentions as described here?

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Hahahaha. Just think for a second about the beliefs that "WWII vets" held. They were just as "racist" and "bigoted", if not more so than the people on the alt-right.

My Grandpa fought in WWII. If you think that he fought in France, liberating cities from Nazi occupation while losing his buddies along the way so that black people could be treated like second hand citizens all these years later, then you'd probably be pretty accurate. He was pretty racist. He watched Fox News religiously until his dying day in his early 90s. Yes, I equate Fox news with racism.

 

[David.]

I don't have a ton of time for a point by point, but I'll briefly go over concerns about this thread.

https://leadergrow.com/articles/32-assume-best-intent

This is about professional communication in a workplace, not how a political debate or discussion creates ground rules. That said, nobody here is running against another RCF member for an elected position. The back and forth has often resulted in staff receiving PMs asking for one member or another to be given a break. That's why B00bie is on time out, that is why others have been dismissed entirely. What can't we assume best intentions as described here?

Threads have been pretty civil for a few weeks.

No one is ever going to assume best intentions this thread. People know what they're doing.