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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Racial Tension in the U.S.

    Votes: 16 51.6%

  • Extremist Views on the U.S.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Mending Years of Racial Stereotypes.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Protest Culture.

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • Racist Idiots in the News.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 32.3%
  • Total voters
    31
The Human Q-Tip said:
If you believe that President Obama, or any other GOP or Democrat leader, publicly condemned Westboro Baptist every single time they protested a funeral, then you are not nearly as well researched as you believe. That is beyond reasonable dispute if you look at the actual facts.

According to the briefings in Snyder v Phelps, with which you claim to be familiar, Phelps and his people protested more than 600 military funerals. They actually protested - in their uniquely vile style - literally thousands of other funerals as well.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/09-751.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...boro-baptist-church-pickets-funerals/6688951/

Do you honestly remember Bush, Obama, or any other national politician making public statements or condemnation every single time Westboro protested? Or would you agree that they did not do that?




If someone is going to argue that the failure to publicly condemn a protestor or organization every single time it does something offensive is morally flawed, then what exactly is wrong with pointing out why that reasoning is itself flawed?



Frankly, the discussions that are had in here tend to be more civil than those in which our elected representatives, the media, etc. routinely engage. Now, if some find objectionable the mere discussion of thoughts and ideas with which they don't agree, then I can see why they'd want to shut it down.

Which, interestingly enough, is one of the issues often discussed in here.
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Trump gleefully condemns the anthem kneelers every week. Meanwhile, it was like pulling teeth to get him to condemn alt-right marchers just once. That says a lot about him, I think.
 
Nathan S said:
Trump gleefully condemns the anthem kneelers every week. Meanwhile, it was like pulling teeth to get him to condemn alt-right marchers just once. That says a lot about him, I think.
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Well, one group votes for him.

Not hard to guess which one.
 
Wrathe said:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/08/news/companies/dove-apology-racist-ad/index.html

So should the white chick be offended too or....
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Here's what I think is interesting:

The ad in question apparently shows a white woman taking off her shirt and becoming a black woman. It then also shows the white woman taking off her shirt and becoming a third woman.

But curiously, the screenshot that started all this only showed the first two images. It does not show the third image, which I haven't been able to find. Seems to me that seeing the third woman would help put the ad in full context, but....it's not shown. Nor was the third image even described in the article.

Gee, I wonder why that is....
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Here's what I think is interesting:

The ad in question apparently shows a white woman taking off her shirt and becoming a black woman. It then also shows the white woman taking off her shirt and becoming a third woman.

But curiously, the screenshot that started all this only showed the first two images. It does not show the third image, which I haven't been able to find. Seems to me that seeing the third woman would help put the ad in full context, but....it's not shown. Nor was the third image even described in the article.

Gee, I wonder why that is....
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Q-Tip, reading your post I'm sure that you are genuinely not aware that this kind of racist depiction (see: washing away Blackness with soap), specifically in advertising, has been around for a very long time (200+ years)... This is Dove's second such ad this year... There have been others from other companies around the globe.

Is it a huge deal? No. Am I going to boycott Dove? No. They're aware of the issue, and hopefully they'll be a bit more thoughtful in future.
 
gourimoko said:
Q-Tip, reading your post I'm sure that you are genuinely not aware that this kind of racist depiction (see: washing away Blackness with soap), specifically in advertising, has been around for a very long time (200+ years)... This is Dove's second such ad this year... There have been others from other companies around the globe.

Is it a huge deal? No. Am I going to boycott Dove? No. They're aware of the issue, and hopefully they'll be a bit more thoughtful in future.
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What if the third frame was an Asian woman?

Because if it was a two frame ad, and it had this black woman becoming a white woman, I'd get that - it would be the result of either mind-boggling insensitivity/ignorance, or flat out racism. And that's the conclusion a lot of people will reach given how that story was presented.

But if the third frame was an Asian woman, it goes from "washing off blackness" to "a soap for all women regardless of skin or color." Or at least you could see how a well-intentioned marketing person could see that as the message.

Now, maybe the ad is still something you think should not have been shown. Fair enough. I'm just saying that only presenting two frames will likely lead to Dove being judged a lot more harshly than the full factual picture likely warrants. And I do think it is kind of sleazy journalism not to describe the third frame, and at least try to present Dove's side.

The kick in the head is that they very likely made this ad in an attempt to avoid a claim that they were marketing just to women of one color.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
What if the third frame was an Asian woman?
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What if it was? I clicked on that link and was able to see the third woman, same as you. You're diving for some bias when the article is talking specifically about the issue that was complained about.

EDIT: I came away feeling like Dove goofed on what was an ad with innocent intent. They apologized and changed for missing the issue. Big whoop.
 
Remember the video last week where the police shot that guy fleeing? Well, of course BLM is protesting it because the DA didn't bring charges up.
 
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