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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Extremist Views on the U.S.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Mending Years of Racial Stereotypes.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Protest Culture.

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • Racist Idiots in the News.

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Cassity14 said:
The "appropriation" thing is something I've never understood.

We want to see minorities cast as role models, right?

What happens with role models? Our kids want to be them. Isn't that the whole point of having these varying princesses like Moana?

But when our kids want to dress up as their role models on Halloween, if that role model is a minority, it's suddenly not okay for a white child to dress as such.

If we told African Americans they aren't allowed to dress like Cinderella, we'd be labeled racist, and IMO, appropriately so.

It's just so illogical and prohibits the types of social progress we should be continually striving for.

Maybe I'm missing the point and @gourimoko or someone can better explain, but I've always seen the fear of "appropriation" as bullshit.
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Nope, you're exactly right. You haven't missed anything.. It's complete and total bullshit. It's also racist.

Ethnicities do not own cultures, and cultures are not walled-gardens only belonging to some chosen few. Cultures are like languages, they evolve over time naturally and organically among people of varying backgrounds..

The idea that someone can appropriate another's culture, as though people own a culture like property is .. foolish, to say the least.
 
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Well, there's a certain kind of cultural appropriation that reinforces harmful stereotypes about minorities...I can see the problem with that, obviously. Don't think Moana costumes fall into that category, by any stretch.
 
For a while my son wanted to be the crab from Moana because he kicked the shit out of Maui. I was a little worried he’d grow up to be a glam serial killer for a while. :chuckle:

Now he wants to be Maui and kick the shit out of people instead. :chuckle:

Cultural appropriation is bullshit. We should be experiencing and learning from each other’s cultures.
 
Two Halloweens ago I was out at a bar and these two girls were dressed as Mexicans. I got dared to check their privilege so I went up and was like "hey Mexicans are people, not costumes. Do better." Apparently they got super upset because their fat friend came up and started bitching at me for "ruining her friends' night."

https://imgur.com/a/iNaZu
 
Dressing as a race or ethnicity is appropriation and usually in poor taste. In most cases someone is choosing stereotypes to emulate because they think it's funny.

In cases like Moana, that's a character that any little girl (or boy) could look up to and want to emulate, including wearing a costume of her. As long as they aren't browning their skin for it I don't see an issue.

EDIT: For the record I find the whole topic of appropriation to be interesting. There are lots of cases where I really feel like it's overreach to assume that someone is co-opting their culture. But there are absolutely cases where we see people use some part of culture developed by another race and they use it cheaply without understanding or acknowledging the roots of it.

EDIT2: Like I get the instinct to say it's all bullshit because of the cases where people seem to possessive of mainstream cultural artifacts, but there have been serious issues in the past (look at the history of rock n roll for starters).
 
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gourimoko said:
Nope, you're exactly right. You haven't missed anything.. It's complete and total bullshit. It's also racist.

Ethnicities do not own cultures, and cultures are not walled-gardens only belonging to some chosen few. Cultures are like languages, they evolve over time naturally and organically among people of varying backgrounds..

The idea that someone can appropriate another's culture, as though people own a culture like property is .. foolish, to say the least.
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Wrong.

The next time I see a guy wearing a Robin Hood costume that doesn't get sunburned in the rain and has bad teeth I will punch him in the face!!!
 
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I feel like I always heard it as "the inmates are running the asylum" before. Like its used with kids a lot because it's like these crazy kids with their wild ideas/energy need to be reigned in... Comes off kind of Freudian that this guy let's slip the underlying feeling (even dropping the literal interpretation that's obviously offensive and likely a slip of the tongue) that these players are suppose to be under control and they aren't adult employees/the people drawing in all the money that should have a say in what goes on in the business.
 
So here's a question - if a white kid wants to dress as Alexander Hamilton, is that cultural appropriation?
 
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I feel like I always heard it as "the inmates are running the asylum" before.
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I've heard them both, though agreed, my personal usage of it has always been asylum.

I guess I would ask the player, you feel he referred to you as an inmate; do you feel that he thinks the NFL is a prison?

Of course not, it's an expression.
 
Wrathe said:
I've heard them both, though agreed, my personal usage of it has always been asylum.

I guess I would ask the player, you feel he referred to you as an inmate; do you feel that he thinks the NFL is a prison?

Of course not, it's an expression.
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I've seen a single idiom interpreted as both literal and figurative on this board depending on how it needed to fit the argument:chuckle:
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
The owners apparently have decided that having fans subsidize the political/legislative agenda of activist players is the way out of this mess.

Guess we'll have to see how that works out.
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How are the fans paying for a pre-game kneel? There is no cost to anyone unless they choose to be offended.
 
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