Racial Tension in the U.S.

[Nathan S]

It doesn't make sense from any perspective for a company to have a "diversity chief" who believes that any group of people is automatically diverse...If they agree with her, they should obviously fire her and eliminate the pointless diversity chief position, and if they disagree with her, they should obviously fire her and hire someone who'll actually do the job.

 

[David.]

Hehe, dunno that I read all THAT into it, but I thought her statement was actually thoughtful and intelligent. There are many strands by which we all are painted by.

Sure was, and they fired her because it's so against the grain of what they want.

 

[MediumBaller]

It doesn't make sense from any perspective for a company to have a "diversity chief" who believes that any group of people is automatically diverse...If they agree with her, they should obviously fire her and eliminate the pointless diversity chief position, and if they disagree with her, they should obviously fire her and hire someone who'll actually do the job.

What do you think diverse means?

 

[Nathan S]

What do you think diverse means?

I don't totally disagree with her take...in many places, such as where I went to college, there are major diversity problems within the subset of white students, for instance. I'm from South Carolina, and out of ~1500 students in my class, I think four others were from South Carolina, three of whom were from similar backgrounds to my own (upper-middle class children of professors), and one of whom was from a very wealthy rural family. In my four years, I'm not sure I recall meeting a single student from a working class southern white family. That's...disturbing. I definitely wish higher ed was more diverse in that regard.

In some places, such as within the tech industry, there are diversity shortcomings in the areas of race and gender. No matter how diverse a group of white people they put together...it won't address those shortcomings. In the same way, my alma mater could double the number of black students it admits and it obviously wouldn't address the particular diversity shortcoming I pointed out above.

 

[David.]

Edit I'll wait.

 

[Nathan S]

Why do you want to social engineer the world? Why can't people have different interests? What if half as many black people are into tech as White after controlled for population?

If Asians want to work in medicine, who the hell am I to say there has to be more Hispanics or whites in the jobs?

Why does race matter rather than the best person for the job? Shouldn't that be your priority?

Because it seems like an awfully convenient coincidence that black people aren't "into" most high-paying professions? We can't ignore history when we look at things like this.

 

[David.]

Because it seems like an awfully convenient coincidence that black people aren't "into" most high-paying professions? We can't ignore history when we look at things like this.

Yea man slavery is why they don't want to write code.

It's not, and they're also not retarded Nathan.

You've seen stats, time and time again. It is an uneven distribution of people who get into these fields if you're looking through a racist lens.

@TyGuy

Men like systems more, women are more interested in people and that is scientifically evident. So equal representation obviously wouldn't even make sense.

 

[Wrathe]

What do you think diverse means?

I don't like my answer today, it was different 6 months ago, and that saddens me.

 

[Nathan S]

Yea man slavery is why they don't want to write code.

It's not, and they're also not retarded Nathan.

You've seen stats, time and time again. It is an uneven distribution of people who get into these fields if you're looking through a racist lens.

@TyGuy

Alright...ignoring the "they're also not retarded" line (when in the world did I say that???), why do you reckon there's an uneven distribution of people getting into these fields, and why in almost every high-paying field is it black people who're underrepresented?

 

[MediumBaller]

Alright...ignoring the "they're also not retarded" line (when in the world did I say that???), why do you reckon there's an uneven distribution of people getting into these fields, and why in almost every high-paying field is it black people who're underrepresented?

Because they use their free will to choose majors that don't pay well.

 

[David.]

Alright...ignoring the "they're also not retarded" line (when in the world did I say that???), why do you reckon there's an uneven distribution of people getting into these fields, and why in almost every high-paying field is it black people who're underrepresented?

I mentioned the retarded part because you talk about them as if they can't help themselves.

You are free to explain the conspiracy as to why blacks are held out of learning computer science

 

[Wrathe]

Alright...ignoring the "they're also not retarded" line (when in the world did I say that???), why do you reckon there's an uneven distribution of people getting into these fields, and why in almost every high-paying field is it black people who're underrepresented?

Honestly, if you're a minority w/ IT skills AT ALL and can't land a job, you need to find someone who is honest in telling you what's wrong, because HR firms trip over each other to hire minorities. It's not that they're being told no at the door, they're not getting that far.

How are Black folks doing in other STEM fields? I didn't do college, couldn't afford it (my privilege card was maxxed out already ), and honestly was unhappy w/ the rate they taught and the debt I'd leave w/ so I went for work experience as my training.
Seriously though, most of the issues we have are around the cultural issues, not racial ones. For example, our Indian DBA's don't respond well to female managers. I don't know if that's a stereotype or a cultural fact, but it seemed to be spoken of like it was common knowledge. *shrug*

 

[Nathan S]

Because they use their free will to choose majors that don't pay well.

...like I said, huge, convenient coincidence that black people disproportionately use their free will to avoid high-paying professions. If you guys are convinced it's as simple as that, then sure, we'll just agree to disagree on this.

 

[MediumBaller]

...like I said, huge, convenient coincidence that black people disproportionately use their free will to avoid high-paying professions. If you guys are convinced it's as simple as that, then sure, we'll just agree to disagree on this.

There's also the fact that doing well in school and liking to learn is often thought of as "acting white".

 

[Nathan S]

There's also the fact that doing well in school and liking to learn is often thought of as "acting white".

Sure, now we're getting somewhere. I don't think it's fair to say that the factors discouraging black people from pursuing jobs in these fields are purely products of "black" culture, but it's important to realize that the decisions we make as kids affect the trajectory of our lives, and kids are very easily influenced by the culture they grow up in. It's not just a problem in black communities either...circling back to my earlier point, I'd say there's a similar culture of anti-intellectualism that prevents most talented rural white kids from pursuing elite colleges and white-collar careers.

At the end of the day, these are problems that hurt America as a whole because we're not fully utilizing our talent pool.